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this comment is unreal

by pclark 13y ago

zem 13y ago
why? i completely lost interest in svbtle when it did the whole "invitation only" thing, and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one. for a blogging platform, mindshare is reasonably important, and they threw a lot of it away. i'm not sure if medium is relevant, but svbtle's erratic start did hurt it.
- js2 13y ago
  Because it stinks of haters gonna hate. The personal attack on Dustin is completely uncalled for. It makes me sad that it's the top-voted comment.
  - soup10 13y ago
    I automatically hate people who say "haters gonna hate". Don't be sad, who cares, hn is just a peanut gallery anyway.
    - deleted 13y ago
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  - zem 13y ago
    there is a little bit of that, perhaps, but consider: from the OP we have > Until now, we’ve been an exclusive platform open only to approved users. We took this initial approach because we wanted to ensure that the software worked, first of all, and that the platform was seeded with great content by seasoned and experienced authors. but if you remember the original svbtle announcement, that is disingenuous. dustin deliberately tried to build up some sense of exclusivity in the "cachet of belonging to a selective group" rather than in the "starting off small" sense. to me that came across as manipulative and a little sketchy (i always wonder, subconsciously, what is wrong with your product if it has to be sold on the premise that not everyone can get it). to a lot of other people, it came across as elitist (just read some of the other comments here). either way, he took a nice piece of software and gave it an unnecessarily blot, but since that blot was deliberately highlighted you can't blame people here for the conversation choosing to focus on it.
    - js2 13y ago
      Words matter. The original commenter could have said the same thing without the hostility. Consider: "Dustin really hurt Svbtle's chances of becoming a popular platform by originally restricting access. Especially since Medium launched, success for Svbtle will be difficult." But perhaps the point was to attack Dustin, not have a civil conversation. $0.02.
      - callum85 13y ago
        I don't think that would be saying the same thing. His point wasn't just that restricted access meant it couldn't become popular, but that it left a bad taste in people's mouths so it might not take off even now. So his acerbic (not hostile) tone was kind of pertinent to what he wanted to say.
      - glomph 13y ago
        I think it is an important piece of information that it was the elitism that hurt its chances. Your wording misses that out.
        js2 13y ago
        This (and the sibling comment) make fair points. I still think DigitalSea could have chosen better words such as "the restricted access came across as elitist and left me not wanting to use the service."
  - Timothee 13y ago
    Off-topic but: It makes me sad that it's the top-voted comment Not necessarily. It's also less than an hour old, so that helps to make it raise.
  - yapcguy 13y ago
    Maybe it's because Dustin is a wannabe elitist who thinks he knows better than everyone else. Proof #1 http://dcurt.is/3-point-5-inches http://dcurt.is/3-point-5-inches Proof #2 "Until now, we’ve been an exclusive platform open only to approved users. We took this initial approach because we wanted to ensure that the software worked, first of all, and that the platform was seeded with great content by seasoned and experienced authors."
    - unvs 13y ago
      I have no horse in this race but I'm not sure which part of proof #1 is "wannabe elitist" and "knows better than everyone else"? I used to own an iPhone 4S and switched to a Nexus 5 this christmas, because Android interested me and I wanted a change. I like Android overall much better and the N5 is a great phone, but I still agree with his points about the screen. It IS pretty frustrating trying to reach with one hand. The extra screen real-estate makes it worth it for me, though. Apropos of nothing, I guess..

this comment is unreal

by pclark 13y ago

this comment is unreal

zem 13y ago

why? i completely lost interest in svbtle when it did the whole "invitation only" thing, and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one. for a blogging platform, mindshare is reasonably important, and they threw a lot of it away. i'm not sure if medium is relevant, but svbtle's erratic start did hurt it.

js2 13y ago
Because it stinks of haters gonna hate. The personal attack on Dustin is completely uncalled for. It makes me sad that it's the top-voted comment.
- soup10 13y ago
  I automatically hate people who say "haters gonna hate". Don't be sad, who cares, hn is just a peanut gallery anyway.
  - deleted 13y ago
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- zem 13y ago
  there is a little bit of that, perhaps, but consider: from the OP we have > Until now, we’ve been an exclusive platform open only to approved users. We took this initial approach because we wanted to ensure that the software worked, first of all, and that the platform was seeded with great content by seasoned and experienced authors. but if you remember the original svbtle announcement, that is disingenuous. dustin deliberately tried to build up some sense of exclusivity in the "cachet of belonging to a selective group" rather than in the "starting off small" sense. to me that came across as manipulative and a little sketchy (i always wonder, subconsciously, what is wrong with your product if it has to be sold on the premise that not everyone can get it). to a lot of other people, it came across as elitist (just read some of the other comments here). either way, he took a nice piece of software and gave it an unnecessarily blot, but since that blot was deliberately highlighted you can't blame people here for the conversation choosing to focus on it.
  - js2 13y ago
    Words matter. The original commenter could have said the same thing without the hostility. Consider: "Dustin really hurt Svbtle's chances of becoming a popular platform by originally restricting access. Especially since Medium launched, success for Svbtle will be difficult." But perhaps the point was to attack Dustin, not have a civil conversation. $0.02.
    - callum85 13y ago
      I don't think that would be saying the same thing. His point wasn't just that restricted access meant it couldn't become popular, but that it left a bad taste in people's mouths so it might not take off even now. So his acerbic (not hostile) tone was kind of pertinent to what he wanted to say.
    - glomph 13y ago
      I think it is an important piece of information that it was the elitism that hurt its chances. Your wording misses that out.
      - js2 13y ago
        This (and the sibling comment) make fair points. I still think DigitalSea could have chosen better words such as "the restricted access came across as elitist and left me not wanting to use the service."
- Timothee 13y ago
  Off-topic but: It makes me sad that it's the top-voted comment Not necessarily. It's also less than an hour old, so that helps to make it raise.
- yapcguy 13y ago
  Maybe it's because Dustin is a wannabe elitist who thinks he knows better than everyone else. Proof #1 http://dcurt.is/3-point-5-inches http://dcurt.is/3-point-5-inches Proof #2 "Until now, we’ve been an exclusive platform open only to approved users. We took this initial approach because we wanted to ensure that the software worked, first of all, and that the platform was seeded with great content by seasoned and experienced authors."
  - unvs 13y ago
    I have no horse in this race but I'm not sure which part of proof #1 is "wannabe elitist" and "knows better than everyone else"? I used to own an iPhone 4S and switched to a Nexus 5 this christmas, because Android interested me and I wanted a change. I like Android overall much better and the N5 is a great phone, but I still agree with his points about the screen. It IS pretty frustrating trying to reach with one hand. The extra screen real-estate makes it worth it for me, though. Apropos of nothing, I guess..