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> GTFO is crass and doesn't belong in internet standards. Oh, STFU. Seriously, though, I see the point. I'm kinda torn on issues likes this. On one hand, la

> GTFO is crass and doesn't belong in internet standards. Oh, STFU. Seriously, though, I see the point. I'm kinda torn on issues likes this. On one hand, language in a standard, particularly as it relates to implemented messages, should meet some minimum level of decorum and avoid colloquialisms. On the other hand, stuffy language battles are pointless and distract from the primary goal of releasing a usable standard with usable error messages. On this particular issue I lean towards the former winning out. Edit: someone else mentioned the word I was trying to think of.

phoen 13y ago
Understanding by the greatest possible number of people should be the goal here, in my opinion. GOAWAY makes plenty sense when compared to GTFO, assuming that not everyone who learns of it intentionally is well-versed in that of which GTFO is a relatively smaller part. Grandma wouldn't necessarily get GTFO (right away, anyway) but she would likely pick up GOAWAY in a snap. Of course, the above assumes a section of people who are fluent (enough?) in English to grok the spec. EDIT: Grammerr. EDIT: Clarification in response to Vonmoltke.
- vonmoltke 13y ago
  And GOAWAY is not clear and understandable from its name?
  - SDGT 13y ago
    If we're really talking clear and understandable, id wager more of the world would understand FUCKOFF than it would GOAWAY, for example. English profanity has a tendency to be better understood by other languages and countries than the appropriate western vernacular.
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SDGT 13y ago
The type of people that actually get offended by this stuff are rarely those involved with actually working with the protocol. I like this stuff. It reminds me that humans with a sense of humor build the things we use everyday, and not some emotionless robot.
- gaius 13y ago
  Ultimately HTTP 2.0 is like IPv6, no-one actually cares. Having said that, people do get upset about 0xDEADBEEF and 0xCAFEBABE, those people need to get lives. Or come up with some other words using only 6 letters.
  - Crito 13y ago
    I can see how 0xCAFEBABE might cause issues in the modern tech community, but 0xDEADBEEF? Do they just hate hexspeak in general?
    - gaius 13y ago
      Vegans. I'll wager someone out there, perhaps unwittingly, has 0xDEADBABE in their binary, God help them if the twitterati finds out.
      - duggan 13y ago
        >> 0xDEADBABE ("Dead Babe") is used by IBM Jikes RVM as a sanity check of the stack of the primary thread http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak#cite_note-13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak#cite_note-13
      - Crito 13y ago
        Heh, maybe. I'd be interested to know if there have ever been any documented cases of vegans actually being offended by 0xDEADBEEF (in anything other than a joking way). Seems like something that is only 'hypothetically offensive'.
- watwut 13y ago

phoen 13y ago

Understanding by the greatest possible number of people should be the goal here, in my opinion. GOAWAY makes plenty sense when compared to GTFO, assuming that not everyone who learns of it intentionally is well-versed in that of which GTFO is a relatively smaller part. Grandma wouldn't necessarily get GTFO (right away, anyway) but she would likely pick up GOAWAY in a snap. Of course, the above assumes a section of people who are fluent (enough?) in English to grok the spec. EDIT: Grammerr. EDIT: Clarification in response to Vonmoltke.

vonmoltke 13y ago
And GOAWAY is not clear and understandable from its name?
- SDGT 13y ago
  If we're really talking clear and understandable, id wager more of the world would understand FUCKOFF than it would GOAWAY, for example. English profanity has a tendency to be better understood by other languages and countries than the appropriate western vernacular.
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SDGT 13y ago

The type of people that actually get offended by this stuff are rarely those involved with actually working with the protocol. I like this stuff. It reminds me that humans with a sense of humor build the things we use everyday, and not some emotionless robot.

gaius 13y ago
Ultimately HTTP 2.0 is like IPv6, no-one actually cares. Having said that, people do get upset about 0xDEADBEEF and 0xCAFEBABE, those people need to get lives. Or come up with some other words using only 6 letters.
- Crito 13y ago
  I can see how 0xCAFEBABE might cause issues in the modern tech community, but 0xDEADBEEF? Do they just hate hexspeak in general?
  - gaius 13y ago
    Vegans. I'll wager someone out there, perhaps unwittingly, has 0xDEADBABE in their binary, God help them if the twitterati finds out.
    - duggan 13y ago
      >> 0xDEADBABE ("Dead Babe") is used by IBM Jikes RVM as a sanity check of the stack of the primary thread http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak#cite_note-13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak#cite_note-13
    - Crito 13y ago
      Heh, maybe. I'd be interested to know if there have ever been any documented cases of vegans actually being offended by 0xDEADBEEF (in anything other than a joking way). Seems like something that is only 'hypothetically offensive'.
watwut 13y ago