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29th november 2013, journalists (along with everyone else) get beaten brutally by storm troopers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6wBzLgEH8 https://www.youtub

29th november 2013, journalists (along with everyone else) get beaten brutally by storm troopers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6wBzLgEH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6wBzLgEH8 more recently, men in plain clothes with white armbands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrl6Uw--nYc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrl6Uw--nYc Would you like to know more? There's more. But I guess you could always say that there is no context, or that these are just isolated incidents not sanctioned from above, so I'm not sure if I should bother posting more. But I have been following this for like a week, reading and watching a lot, and I would say the situation is actually worse than many people in the west are aware of. And now, for something completely different! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGaQ5BDNouM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGaQ5BDNouM

Mikeb85 13y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPzWoYjAnY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPzWoYjAnY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_iutoQPvY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_iutoQPvY
- PavlovsCat 13y ago
  Oh, I'm under no delusion about police brutality in the west, here in Germany as well. Doesn't make it okay though, or unworthy of resisting and trying to get things changed.
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    But should we incite revolution in a country, making things much worse in the process, destroying economies and the unity of a country for such a reason? Revolution always makes things worse before they get better...
    - PavlovsCat 13y ago
      Unity could be restored by the rest of the country joining them, the revolution could be ended by the president resigning. Revolution always makes things worse before they get better... Yes, sadly. And the outcome of this is unclear. But I can't blame them for trying. As they say, better an end with terror than terror without end. They are risking their lives not just out of sheer boredom or greed, but because they have been pushed into a corner and saw no other way out.
      - Mikeb85 13y ago
        All I have to say is that there's a reason Yushchenko was voted out of office so unceremoniously.... The rest of the country won't join the protests because they don't want a government consisting of Fatherland and Svoboda...
        PavlovsCat 13y ago
        Oh yeah, the claim that it's all just a bunch of right-wing extremists, I already wondered why that hasn't been trotted out yet. http://avtonomia.net/2014/01/23/awu-statement-current-political-situation/ http://avtonomia.net/2014/01/23/awu-statement-current-politi... > Over the last days not only the far right confront the government, but also people of more moderate views. And they constitute the majority of the protesters. Many of them are indifferent to nationalism or negatively predisposed to it. Many of them don’t support integration into the EU. People go into the streets to protest against police violence. And a significant part of them is unenthusiastic or even skeptical about the clashes in the Grushevskogo street. Often one can hear that right radicals are a “Trojan horse” of Yanukovych and special services, designed to discredit the protest. Certainly there would be many more Kievites participating in the protests if there was a way to take those idiots useful to the government out of the streets. also: http://observers.france24.com/content/20140127-protests-growing-russia-eastern-ukraine http://observers.france24.com/content/20140127-protests-grow...

Mikeb85 13y ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPzWoYjAnY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPzWoYjAnY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_iutoQPvY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_iutoQPvY

PavlovsCat 13y ago
Oh, I'm under no delusion about police brutality in the west, here in Germany as well. Doesn't make it okay though, or unworthy of resisting and trying to get things changed.
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  But should we incite revolution in a country, making things much worse in the process, destroying economies and the unity of a country for such a reason? Revolution always makes things worse before they get better...
  - PavlovsCat 13y ago
    Unity could be restored by the rest of the country joining them, the revolution could be ended by the president resigning. Revolution always makes things worse before they get better... Yes, sadly. And the outcome of this is unclear. But I can't blame them for trying. As they say, better an end with terror than terror without end. They are risking their lives not just out of sheer boredom or greed, but because they have been pushed into a corner and saw no other way out.
    - Mikeb85 13y ago
      All I have to say is that there's a reason Yushchenko was voted out of office so unceremoniously.... The rest of the country won't join the protests because they don't want a government consisting of Fatherland and Svoboda...
      - PavlovsCat 13y ago
        Oh yeah, the claim that it's all just a bunch of right-wing extremists, I already wondered why that hasn't been trotted out yet. http://avtonomia.net/2014/01/23/awu-statement-current-political-situation/ http://avtonomia.net/2014/01/23/awu-statement-current-politi... > Over the last days not only the far right confront the government, but also people of more moderate views. And they constitute the majority of the protesters. Many of them are indifferent to nationalism or negatively predisposed to it. Many of them don’t support integration into the EU. People go into the streets to protest against police violence. And a significant part of them is unenthusiastic or even skeptical about the clashes in the Grushevskogo street. Often one can hear that right radicals are a “Trojan horse” of Yanukovych and special services, designed to discredit the protest. Certainly there would be many more Kievites participating in the protests if there was a way to take those idiots useful to the government out of the streets. also: http://observers.france24.com/content/20140127-protests-growing-russia-eastern-ukraine http://observers.france24.com/content/20140127-protests-grow...