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Non-replaceable battery is probably a primary why this may not be the case. My iPad 3 seems to be discharging much more quickly these days, and will probably m

Non-replaceable battery is probably a primary why this may not be the case. My iPad 3 seems to be discharging much more quickly these days, and will probably mean a replacement will be needed sometime next year.

georgemcbay 13y ago
Yeah that's a good point I hadn't thought about, and it applies to non-expandable flash ram as well since basically your data will grow to fit available space. But those issues are sort of cheating since they are basically planned obsolescence features that could trivially be solved if there were any incentive to do so. But there isn't, so more landfill generated for little actual new value.
- empthought 13y ago
  > could trivially be solved I'm going to guess you're neither a computer hardware nor a battery engineer.
  - georgemcbay 13y ago
    I meant solved by making the battery replaceable, even if as a service of AppleCare or whatever if not the end-consumer. See: Teslas, which have to live by the same rules as everyone else when it comes to battery life issues but whose solution isn't 'throw your car out when it won't hold a charge anymore'.
    - bananacurve 13y ago
      Apple products hold value amazingly well because they are well built. My 04 iBook is still in service. Cheap crap will fill landfills.
    - Someone 13y ago
      Solved like with http://www.apple.com/batteries/replacements.html http://www.apple.com/batteries/replacements.html or http://www.apple.com/de/batteries/replacements.html http://www.apple.com/de/batteries/replacements.html (Germany) or http://www.apple.com/au/batteries/replacements.html http://www.apple.com/au/batteries/replacements.html (Australia)?
    - huxley 13y ago
      The battery is replaceable under AppleCare or for a $109.77 +tax after warranty/AppleCare+ expires: http://www.apple.com/ca/batteries/replacements.html http://www.apple.com/ca/batteries/replacements.html
    - thedrbrian 13y ago
      Don't tesla make you throw 1000kg battery pack away?
    - Tloewald 13y ago
      A car is expected to last longer than a laptop, and no-one needs to carry a car around all day in their back pockets. Also note that replacing the entire battery is the only viable way to recharge your Tesla quickly. You can charge your iOS device while you use it. When Teslas have seen the kind of prolonged use and abuse people's phones and computers have taken, let's see how their battery packs do. And of course, Apple sells battery replacements at pretty reasonable prices, but most people don't bother because depreciation makes it not worthwhile. Our kids are using our original iPad 1s and abuse the heck out of them, and they still get decent battery life.
gcb0 13y ago
apple is master of planned obsolence. and other are learning later but following close. battery as you said is almost the norm now. sd card dissapeared from all android devices save from some expensive sony ones. and with storage prices dropping (ssd just broke the 50c/gb barries) this is a sure way of making next year device much more appealing. scren resolution being improved in homeopatic doses. year over year. this also contributes to new storage needs as apps space quadriplicate to support all screen sizes, reinforcing point above.

georgemcbay 13y ago

Yeah that's a good point I hadn't thought about, and it applies to non-expandable flash ram as well since basically your data will grow to fit available space. But those issues are sort of cheating since they are basically planned obsolescence features that could trivially be solved if there were any incentive to do so. But there isn't, so more landfill generated for little actual new value.

empthought 13y ago
> could trivially be solved I'm going to guess you're neither a computer hardware nor a battery engineer.
- georgemcbay 13y ago
  I meant solved by making the battery replaceable, even if as a service of AppleCare or whatever if not the end-consumer. See: Teslas, which have to live by the same rules as everyone else when it comes to battery life issues but whose solution isn't 'throw your car out when it won't hold a charge anymore'.
  - bananacurve 13y ago
    Apple products hold value amazingly well because they are well built. My 04 iBook is still in service. Cheap crap will fill landfills.
  - Someone 13y ago
    Solved like with http://www.apple.com/batteries/replacements.html http://www.apple.com/batteries/replacements.html or http://www.apple.com/de/batteries/replacements.html http://www.apple.com/de/batteries/replacements.html (Germany) or http://www.apple.com/au/batteries/replacements.html http://www.apple.com/au/batteries/replacements.html (Australia)?
  - huxley 13y ago
    The battery is replaceable under AppleCare or for a $109.77 +tax after warranty/AppleCare+ expires: http://www.apple.com/ca/batteries/replacements.html http://www.apple.com/ca/batteries/replacements.html
  - thedrbrian 13y ago
    Don't tesla make you throw 1000kg battery pack away?
  - Tloewald 13y ago
    A car is expected to last longer than a laptop, and no-one needs to carry a car around all day in their back pockets. Also note that replacing the entire battery is the only viable way to recharge your Tesla quickly. You can charge your iOS device while you use it. When Teslas have seen the kind of prolonged use and abuse people's phones and computers have taken, let's see how their battery packs do. And of course, Apple sells battery replacements at pretty reasonable prices, but most people don't bother because depreciation makes it not worthwhile. Our kids are using our original iPad 1s and abuse the heck out of them, and they still get decent battery life.

gcb0 13y ago

apple is master of planned obsolence. and other are learning later but following close. battery as you said is almost the norm now. sd card dissapeared from all android devices save from some expensive sony ones. and with storage prices dropping (ssd just broke the 50c/gb barries) this is a sure way of making next year device much more appealing. scren resolution being improved in homeopatic doses. year over year. this also contributes to new storage needs as apps space quadriplicate to support all screen sizes, reinforcing point above.