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Most modern organized crime is a result of drug trade. So yes, it's all related to victimless drug use, as I said. In the case of human trafficking, or murder

by jnbiche 13y ago

Most modern organized crime is a result of drug trade. So yes, it's all related to victimless drug use, as I said. In the case of human trafficking, or murder/assault by organized crime, the answer is pretty clear, at least to me. You charge and convict them of crimes like murder and kidnapping, crimes which have been part of our criminal code for centuries.

drjesusphd 13y ago
> Most modern organized crime is a result of drug trade. So yes, it's all related to victimless drug use, as I said. I'm sorry, this is just ridiculous.
- f00_ 13y ago
  Please tell us why. Drugs make up an extremely large part of the income of most criminal organizations, some completely funded by it.
  - wil421 13y ago
    Most traditional organized crime groups were focused more on vice than drugs. Vice being gambling, prostitution/human trafficking, and loan sharking. Recently crime syndicates have started to develop malware and card skimmers. The drug trade is a portion of organized crime.
    - runeks 13y ago
      > Most traditional organized crime groups were focused more on vice than drugs. Vice being gambling, prostitution/human trafficking, and loan sharking. I find it interesting that all the areas that you mention are sources of revenue for organized crime are either illegal or restricted activities. * Gambling: illegal many places. * Prostitution: illegal many places. * Human trafficking: heavy regulation on immigration (if the trafficked women were to go to the authorities to report it, they'd be transported back to their country of origin) * Loan sharking: illegal many places (a ceiling is put on the interest rate one can legally charge) Imagine if we didn't criminalize the above, and allowed free immigration: would there be anything left for organized crime to make money on?
  - aestra 13y ago
    PLENTY of organized crime has nothing do with drugs. A huge subset of organized crime is involved in counterfeiting - which is a billion dollar industry by itself. Counterfeiting consumer products (designer purses, shoes...) medication, and even FOOD. Yes, food is a big one. https://reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/en/cc-blog/1758.. https://reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/en/cc-blog/1758.... As well as other form of crime - prostitution and human trafficking, gun running, identity and credit card theft and other "cybercrimes," and "legal" debt slavery.
    - xixi77 13y ago
      The argument wasn't that drugs were the only area in which organized crime operates; it was that it is by far the biggest one (although I have even harder time considering prostitution to be a crime). But, other things are criminal already, and just because an ability to monitor financial transactions makes some forms of crime more difficult, does not by itself make it a good idea. Surely if domestic law enforcement had the same powers that NSA has would make a lot of crime harder, and allow police to catch thousands of real criminals -- but, would it be a good idea?
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by jnbiche 13y ago

drjesusphd 13y ago

> Most modern organized crime is a result of drug trade. So yes, it's all related to victimless drug use, as I said. I'm sorry, this is just ridiculous.

f00_ 13y ago
Please tell us why. Drugs make up an extremely large part of the income of most criminal organizations, some completely funded by it.
- wil421 13y ago
  Most traditional organized crime groups were focused more on vice than drugs. Vice being gambling, prostitution/human trafficking, and loan sharking. Recently crime syndicates have started to develop malware and card skimmers. The drug trade is a portion of organized crime.
  - runeks 13y ago
    > Most traditional organized crime groups were focused more on vice than drugs. Vice being gambling, prostitution/human trafficking, and loan sharking. I find it interesting that all the areas that you mention are sources of revenue for organized crime are either illegal or restricted activities. * Gambling: illegal many places. * Prostitution: illegal many places. * Human trafficking: heavy regulation on immigration (if the trafficked women were to go to the authorities to report it, they'd be transported back to their country of origin) * Loan sharking: illegal many places (a ceiling is put on the interest rate one can legally charge) Imagine if we didn't criminalize the above, and allowed free immigration: would there be anything left for organized crime to make money on?
- aestra 13y ago
  PLENTY of organized crime has nothing do with drugs. A huge subset of organized crime is involved in counterfeiting - which is a billion dollar industry by itself. Counterfeiting consumer products (designer purses, shoes...) medication, and even FOOD. Yes, food is a big one. https://reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/en/cc-blog/1758.. https://reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/en/cc-blog/1758.... As well as other form of crime - prostitution and human trafficking, gun running, identity and credit card theft and other "cybercrimes," and "legal" debt slavery.
  - xixi77 13y ago
    The argument wasn't that drugs were the only area in which organized crime operates; it was that it is by far the biggest one (although I have even harder time considering prostitution to be a crime). But, other things are criminal already, and just because an ability to monitor financial transactions makes some forms of crime more difficult, does not by itself make it a good idea. Surely if domestic law enforcement had the same powers that NSA has would make a lot of crime harder, and allow police to catch thousands of real criminals -- but, would it be a good idea?
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