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victimless drug use organized crime? human trafficking? [..]

by mh- 13y ago

SpaceRaccoon 13y ago
Consequences of drugs being illegal, no?
- lclarkmichalek 13y ago
  Yes, because when all drugs were legal, slavery wasn't a thing, right? No one has ever been sold into prostitution for a reason that doesn't relate to drugs.
  - SpaceRaccoon 13y ago
    No, because drugs being illegal pushes the drug trade into criminal hands. I don't do drugs (often) but I don't see why revenue should go to criminal cartels and war lords when it can be controlled and regulated by government, especially if the government is able to charge taxes- and I'd imagine, seeing how rich drug dealers are, that they can bring in a lot of tax revenue and still keep it less than street price.
  - runeks 13y ago
    The reason people are sold into prostitution in Western countries is because of restricted immigration. If they go to the police, they get escorted back to where they came from - so they don't.
jnbiche 13y ago
Most modern organized crime is a result of drug trade. So yes, it's all related to victimless drug use, as I said. In the case of human trafficking, or murder/assault by organized crime, the answer is pretty clear, at least to me. You charge and convict them of crimes like murder and kidnapping, crimes which have been part of our criminal code for centuries.
- drjesusphd 13y ago
  > Most modern organized crime is a result of drug trade. So yes, it's all related to victimless drug use, as I said. I'm sorry, this is just ridiculous.
  - f00_ 13y ago
    Please tell us why. Drugs make up an extremely large part of the income of most criminal organizations, some completely funded by it.
    - wil421 13y ago
      Most traditional organized crime groups were focused more on vice than drugs. Vice being gambling, prostitution/human trafficking, and loan sharking. Recently crime syndicates have started to develop malware and card skimmers. The drug trade is a portion of organized crime.
      - runeks 13y ago
        > Most traditional organized crime groups were focused more on vice than drugs. Vice being gambling, prostitution/human trafficking, and loan sharking. I find it interesting that all the areas that you mention are sources of revenue for organized crime are either illegal or restricted activities. * Gambling: illegal many places. * Prostitution: illegal many places. * Human trafficking: heavy regulation on immigration (if the trafficked women were to go to the authorities to report it, they'd be transported back to their country of origin) * Loan sharking: illegal many places (a ceiling is put on the interest rate one can legally charge) Imagine if we didn't criminalize the above, and allowed free immigration: would there be anything left for organized crime to make money on?
    - aestra 13y ago
      PLENTY of organized crime has nothing do with drugs. A huge subset of organized crime is involved in counterfeiting - which is a billion dollar industry by itself. Counterfeiting consumer products (designer purses, shoes...) medication, and even FOOD. Yes, food is a big one. https://reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/en/cc-blog/1758.. https://reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/en/cc-blog/1758.... As well as other form of crime - prostitution and human trafficking, gun running, identity and credit card theft and other "cybercrimes," and "legal" debt slavery.
rpearl 13y ago
If one could walk into a store and purchase pharmaceutical-grade recreational drugs (manufactured by a company), as one might purchase alcohol or cigarettes, then there wouldn't be drug-related organized crime or human trafficking.
- sukuriant 13y ago
  "then there wouldn't be drug-related organized crime or human trafficking." Citation needed. I'm sorry, I cannot believe without a lot of proof that human trafficking and drugs are so intimately related that the latter would not exist without the former.
  - CamperBob2 13y ago
    It's legal to sell alcohol. Do you see a lot of human trafficking related to alcohol sales?
- ceejayoz 13y ago
  Bullshit. There aren't a bunch of pedophiles out there going "gee, if I could just get my hands on some heroin I'd stop raping three year olds"...
  - SpaceRaccoon 13y ago
    The point is that drugs are a primary income for criminals- that is, people who are criminals for a living.
  - rpearl 13y ago
    You have failed to parse my sentence. Of course there would still be human trafficking. There would not be (drug-related human trafficking.) There would not be (drug-related organized crime.)
    - ceejayoz 13y ago
      In that case, bullshit again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_smuggling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_smuggling

victimless drug use organized crime? human trafficking? [..]

by mh- 13y ago

victimless drug use organized crime? human trafficking? [..]

SpaceRaccoon 13y ago

Consequences of drugs being illegal, no?

lclarkmichalek 13y ago
Yes, because when all drugs were legal, slavery wasn't a thing, right? No one has ever been sold into prostitution for a reason that doesn't relate to drugs.
- SpaceRaccoon 13y ago
  No, because drugs being illegal pushes the drug trade into criminal hands. I don't do drugs (often) but I don't see why revenue should go to criminal cartels and war lords when it can be controlled and regulated by government, especially if the government is able to charge taxes- and I'd imagine, seeing how rich drug dealers are, that they can bring in a lot of tax revenue and still keep it less than street price.
- runeks 13y ago
  The reason people are sold into prostitution in Western countries is because of restricted immigration. If they go to the police, they get escorted back to where they came from - so they don't.

jnbiche 13y ago

Most modern organized crime is a result of drug trade. So yes, it's all related to victimless drug use, as I said. In the case of human trafficking, or murder/assault by organized crime, the answer is pretty clear, at least to me. You charge and convict them of crimes like murder and kidnapping, crimes which have been part of our criminal code for centuries.

drjesusphd 13y ago
> Most modern organized crime is a result of drug trade. So yes, it's all related to victimless drug use, as I said. I'm sorry, this is just ridiculous.
- f00_ 13y ago
  Please tell us why. Drugs make up an extremely large part of the income of most criminal organizations, some completely funded by it.
  - wil421 13y ago
    Most traditional organized crime groups were focused more on vice than drugs. Vice being gambling, prostitution/human trafficking, and loan sharking. Recently crime syndicates have started to develop malware and card skimmers. The drug trade is a portion of organized crime.
    - runeks 13y ago
      > Most traditional organized crime groups were focused more on vice than drugs. Vice being gambling, prostitution/human trafficking, and loan sharking. I find it interesting that all the areas that you mention are sources of revenue for organized crime are either illegal or restricted activities. * Gambling: illegal many places. * Prostitution: illegal many places. * Human trafficking: heavy regulation on immigration (if the trafficked women were to go to the authorities to report it, they'd be transported back to their country of origin) * Loan sharking: illegal many places (a ceiling is put on the interest rate one can legally charge) Imagine if we didn't criminalize the above, and allowed free immigration: would there be anything left for organized crime to make money on?
  - aestra 13y ago
    PLENTY of organized crime has nothing do with drugs. A huge subset of organized crime is involved in counterfeiting - which is a billion dollar industry by itself. Counterfeiting consumer products (designer purses, shoes...) medication, and even FOOD. Yes, food is a big one. https://reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/en/cc-blog/1758.. https://reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/en/cc-blog/1758.... As well as other form of crime - prostitution and human trafficking, gun running, identity and credit card theft and other "cybercrimes," and "legal" debt slavery.

rpearl 13y ago

If one could walk into a store and purchase pharmaceutical-grade recreational drugs (manufactured by a company), as one might purchase alcohol or cigarettes, then there wouldn't be drug-related organized crime or human trafficking.

sukuriant 13y ago
"then there wouldn't be drug-related organized crime or human trafficking." Citation needed. I'm sorry, I cannot believe without a lot of proof that human trafficking and drugs are so intimately related that the latter would not exist without the former.
- CamperBob2 13y ago
  It's legal to sell alcohol. Do you see a lot of human trafficking related to alcohol sales?
ceejayoz 13y ago
Bullshit. There aren't a bunch of pedophiles out there going "gee, if I could just get my hands on some heroin I'd stop raping three year olds"...
- SpaceRaccoon 13y ago
  The point is that drugs are a primary income for criminals- that is, people who are criminals for a living.
- rpearl 13y ago
  You have failed to parse my sentence. Of course there would still be human trafficking. There would not be (drug-related human trafficking.) There would not be (drug-related organized crime.)
  - ceejayoz 13y ago
    In that case, bullshit again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_smuggling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_smuggling