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There are more realistic borders along which the United States might reorganize: http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/projects/borders http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/projects/bo

by ynniv 13y ago

There are more realistic borders along which the United States might reorganize: http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/projects/borders http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/projects/borders

wavefunction 13y ago
Only realistic if you don't actually live in the United States. These European projections on how the US could devolve are pretty funny though, and say more about European bias than anything else.
- ynniv 13y ago
  I'm not sure which part of tracking the physical location of dollar bills you think has a European bias, but if means that much to you the project was completed at Northwestern University. The professor only later moved to a university in Europe. Please use your gray matter a little more before dispatching the fingers.
  - wavefunction 13y ago
    >>gray matter a little more before dispatching the fingers Yet you linked not to the original work but to a German site. I would also point out that assigning physical-proximity as a cultural marker due to the movement of currency is a terrible stand-in for actual cultural similarities. And cultural similarities are what we are concerned with here, if we're discussing the devolution of America based on cultural lines. For instance, the map you provide has Colorado lumped in with Oklahoma, Kansas, and the rest of the Midwest. While these states are proximate physically, the culture between these states is completely different, which is why Colorado has legalized cannabis and OK has a monument on government property to the 10 Commandments. To lump Colorado in with the Midwest just shows how poor the methodology and modeling are. How's that for some gray matter? Is it enough, or do I need more?
    - ynniv 13y ago
      Yet you linked not to the original work but to a German site. Don't be ridiculous, one links to the currently maintained version of a project. While these states are proximate physically, the culture between these states is completely different Citation needed. I lived in Colorado for a couple of years, and in my experience there is more similarity than difference between those places. How's that for some gray matter? Is it enough, or do I need more? It's better than commenting on a domain name, but there is no upper bound on insight.
gus_massa 13y ago
This map was discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5566582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5566582 (70 points, 248 days ago, 41 comments). I’ll quote the second comment by julespitt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5566911 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5566911 > Ahem... http://www.federalreserve.gov/otherfrb.htm http://www.federalreserve.gov/otherfrb.htm . > Cash is managed through the regional branches of the Federal Reserve, and while there are some boundaries on that map that don't line up, it mostly seems to be governed by these particular administrative regions. > As a New Yorker from Connecticut, the gigantic barrier between New York and New England would have to be nearly completely explained by the Fed.
- ynniv 13y ago
  There is certainly influence, but the Federal Reserve regions map doesn't align especially well with the study map. As a New Yorker from Connecticut, the gigantic barrier between New York and New England would have to be nearly completely explained by the Fed. Having also grown up in Connecticut, New Englanders aren't as likely to go to New York as one would expect from the proximity. Young folks, especially in Connecticut, tend to go back and forth, but people in the city only tend to visit New England in the fall, and people in New England only visit the city on special occasion. In fact, the line between New York and New England is the only place I have ever seen a road sign for "New England" and not an actual state name. It is a very culturally polarized region where city folk like the city, country folk the country. There's also very little in up-state New York (which is mostly park land) that would cause lots of travel there from Vermont... If you're from the area it isn't as weird as it looks on a map. If the Federal Reserve regions were actually causing the currency movements, why do regions 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 12, and Louisiana not line up?
  - gus_massa 13y ago
    I agree that the alignment is not perfect. Previous previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5457329 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5457329 (115 points, 304 days ago, 44 comments). For #12, I think that the correct explanation is in the comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5459260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5459260 (by skwirl): > I can do no more than guess, but I think you are right about the San Francisco district. It is a large district and the notes have to be physically carted back and forth to some distribution center, so it looks like they created three locations to do this - one in San Francisco, one in Seattle, and one in Salt Lake City. My guess is that the other discrepancies are caused by strong economical and population integration of the areas and perhaps more subdistricts.

by ynniv 13y ago

There are more realistic borders along which the United States might reorganize: http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/projects/borders http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/projects/borders

wavefunction 13y ago

Only realistic if you don't actually live in the United States. These European projections on how the US could devolve are pretty funny though, and say more about European bias than anything else.

ynniv 13y ago
I'm not sure which part of tracking the physical location of dollar bills you think has a European bias, but if means that much to you the project was completed at Northwestern University. The professor only later moved to a university in Europe. Please use your gray matter a little more before dispatching the fingers.
- wavefunction 13y ago
  >>gray matter a little more before dispatching the fingers Yet you linked not to the original work but to a German site. I would also point out that assigning physical-proximity as a cultural marker due to the movement of currency is a terrible stand-in for actual cultural similarities. And cultural similarities are what we are concerned with here, if we're discussing the devolution of America based on cultural lines. For instance, the map you provide has Colorado lumped in with Oklahoma, Kansas, and the rest of the Midwest. While these states are proximate physically, the culture between these states is completely different, which is why Colorado has legalized cannabis and OK has a monument on government property to the 10 Commandments. To lump Colorado in with the Midwest just shows how poor the methodology and modeling are. How's that for some gray matter? Is it enough, or do I need more?
  - ynniv 13y ago
    Yet you linked not to the original work but to a German site. Don't be ridiculous, one links to the currently maintained version of a project. While these states are proximate physically, the culture between these states is completely different Citation needed. I lived in Colorado for a couple of years, and in my experience there is more similarity than difference between those places. How's that for some gray matter? Is it enough, or do I need more? It's better than commenting on a domain name, but there is no upper bound on insight.

gus_massa 13y ago

This map was discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5566582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5566582 (70 points, 248 days ago, 41 comments). I’ll quote the second comment by julespitt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5566911 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5566911 > Ahem... http://www.federalreserve.gov/otherfrb.htm http://www.federalreserve.gov/otherfrb.htm . > Cash is managed through the regional branches of the Federal Reserve, and while there are some boundaries on that map that don't line up, it mostly seems to be governed by these particular administrative regions. > As a New Yorker from Connecticut, the gigantic barrier between New York and New England would have to be nearly completely explained by the Fed.

ynniv 13y ago
There is certainly influence, but the Federal Reserve regions map doesn't align especially well with the study map. As a New Yorker from Connecticut, the gigantic barrier between New York and New England would have to be nearly completely explained by the Fed. Having also grown up in Connecticut, New Englanders aren't as likely to go to New York as one would expect from the proximity. Young folks, especially in Connecticut, tend to go back and forth, but people in the city only tend to visit New England in the fall, and people in New England only visit the city on special occasion. In fact, the line between New York and New England is the only place I have ever seen a road sign for "New England" and not an actual state name. It is a very culturally polarized region where city folk like the city, country folk the country. There's also very little in up-state New York (which is mostly park land) that would cause lots of travel there from Vermont... If you're from the area it isn't as weird as it looks on a map. If the Federal Reserve regions were actually causing the currency movements, why do regions 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 12, and Louisiana not line up?
- gus_massa 13y ago
  I agree that the alignment is not perfect. Previous previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5457329 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5457329 (115 points, 304 days ago, 44 comments). For #12, I think that the correct explanation is in the comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5459260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5459260 (by skwirl): > I can do no more than guess, but I think you are right about the San Francisco district. It is a large district and the notes have to be physically carted back and forth to some distribution center, so it looks like they created three locations to do this - one in San Francisco, one in Seattle, and one in Salt Lake City. My guess is that the other discrepancies are caused by strong economical and population integration of the areas and perhaps more subdistricts.