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Very scary similarities with what has happened in Turkey. I have amazing respect for all those brave people risking their lives to say "No!" to tyranny. They a

by yawz 13y ago

Very scary similarities with what has happened in Turkey. I have amazing respect for all those brave people risking their lives to say "No!" to tyranny. They are the modern day heroes.

Demiurge 13y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8 Does this look like brave people risking their lives to say "No!" to tyranny, or like a bunch of young energetic people who have no idea about whats going on in politics throwing molotov cocktails at police?
- mathetic 13y ago
  I cannot account for what's happening in Ukraine but last time a video like this one released in Istanbul during protests, it was undercover police throwing molotov cocktails to armoured police vehicles. It was the only video shown by all the news agencies [0]. It is quite funny that a community of skeptics being pedantic on silliest social networking apps takes what they see in a video for granted and makes harsh judgements about people. EDIT after citation request: So this is the famous video. The masks they are wearing are identified to be standard police issue. They are also holding radio transmitters similar to used by police but that would not prove anything. However, this is the only instance where the police have not heavily "interfered" to the event. The pressure they use on these guys is one tenth of what they use against unarmed civilians. There are quite few videos showing how they shoot people with water canon and literally threw them away. These plus the fact that this is literally the only video shown by all news agencies clearly indicate that the whole thing is staged. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxuOmnQpu8E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxuOmnQpu8E
  - Demiurge 13y ago
    This is a video of something NO ONE is disputing. People just say "revolution" and "saying NO to tyranny", but what do you think that means in practice? What ELSE could there be on the video? It's people making molotov cocktails, stones, and throwing them at police. That's how it looks like, regardless if it was staged or not, which, to me, it seems obvious it's not. The crowds shown are huge, and the acting would be Oscar winning.
  - sivetic 13y ago
    Exact same thing happened during protests in Canada. Government-hired people were caught trying to incite violence several times.
  - afsina 13y ago
    `undercover police throwing molotov cocktails` -> citation needed.
    - cdash 13y ago
      http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/riot-police-throw-petrol-bombs-during-violent-protests-ukraine-1433371 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/riot-police-throw-petrol-bombs-duri...
      - sp332 13y ago
        You didn't answer the question - mathetic was asking about the Istanbul protest. (And the police in your photo aren't undercover.)
    - deleted 13y ago
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    - swamp40 13y ago
      Here you go: http://www.policymic.com/articles/79771/this-photo-is-going-viral-and-shows-how-bad-things-really-are-in-ukraine http://www.policymic.com/articles/79771/this-photo-is-going-...
- sp332 13y ago
  What do you expect it to look like?
  - Demiurge 13y ago
    I don't expect it to look like anything else. I think this violence is terrible, and counterproductive to any non-anarchist cause, such as joining EU. I want these people to go home...
    - choonkeymoonkey 13y ago
      So does the criminal president. What a coincedence!
      - Demiurge 13y ago
        Hm, I wonder if we also both like air. Two coincidences?! No one is that gullible!!!
    - Ygg2 13y ago
      You can't protest from your home... There is a reason all demonstration happen in public. That is because if everyone is in house they aren't sure if the other people are satisfied or poltrons or ready to cause a change. Also don't tell me you can protest with your vote when government is ready to falsify those.
      - Demiurge 13y ago
        I'm only against violence and attacking police, not peaceful protests or civil disobedience. At this point, going home is the only way to get out of a situation that turned violent.
        Ygg2 13y ago
        Yeah, except peaceful protests are banned and civil disobedience is useless. If you gather in the square the police has the right to beat you and arrest you, and they are fighting to oppose that. If you do nothing, you are silently accepting laws against protests and freedoms as just and fair. Between those choices, the only solution is violence, to show that state isn't strong enough to suppress you. A 'No' uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble. -- Gandhi
- michaelt 13y ago
  Has there ever been a war that wasn't predominantly fought with energetic young people?
- xutopia 13y ago
  Look at the channel this comes from: https://www.youtube.com/user/dzgmvs?feature=watch https://www.youtube.com/user/dzgmvs?feature=watch It looks like a ministry or something is releasing these videos. I live in Quebec and in August 2007 one branch of our police force did a false flag operation to discredit protesters and legitimize the use of force on civilians. They got caught by pacifist protesters who noticed the boots of the undercover cops were wearing the same boots as the police force: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow The police force then mistranslated the events by saying that the president we see in here asking the cops to "drop the rocks" saying that the president and others were asking them to "throw the rocks". I have no trust in anything coming from my government anymore. You know who got reprimanded for using provocateurs? No one! Similar techniques were used at the G20 and the media is playing right into the government's hands.
  - Demiurge 13y ago
    I don't have time to watch at work, but did anyone in those videos actually get their face burned off?
    - sp332 13y ago
      This guy http://imgur.com/a/lnawg#157 http://imgur.com/a/lnawg#157
  - iaskwhy 13y ago
    Similar thing happened in at least one case in Portugal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS8ak6zQzc4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS8ak6zQzc4 You can see a cop with a hoodie in the middle of the other policemen beating a reporter. It was showed in all news reports, they even interviewed the ministry about it but nothing happened. It is believed this happens in a lot more situations but it's really hard to proove.
- cdash 13y ago
  Yes, that is exactly what it looks like.
- grey-area 13y ago
  Does this look like a responsible police force maintaining order? http://www.policymic.com/articles/79771/this-photo-is-going-viral-and-shows-how-bad-things-really-are-in-ukraine http://www.policymic.com/articles/79771/this-photo-is-going-...
0grr 13y ago
The best part about a democracy is when the losers respect the electoral process, but this same logic seems to escape many liberals when in comes affairs of foreign countries, so they'll blindly bandwagon any rebel without a cause. Or, perhaps you aren't liberal and simply view civil strife as being good for western(American)interests - in which case you are a fit to work for the white house.

by yawz 13y ago

Very scary similarities with what has happened in Turkey. I have amazing respect for all those brave people risking their lives to say "No!" to tyranny. They are the modern day heroes.

Demiurge 13y ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8 Does this look like brave people risking their lives to say "No!" to tyranny, or like a bunch of young energetic people who have no idea about whats going on in politics throwing molotov cocktails at police?

mathetic 13y ago
I cannot account for what's happening in Ukraine but last time a video like this one released in Istanbul during protests, it was undercover police throwing molotov cocktails to armoured police vehicles. It was the only video shown by all the news agencies [0]. It is quite funny that a community of skeptics being pedantic on silliest social networking apps takes what they see in a video for granted and makes harsh judgements about people. EDIT after citation request: So this is the famous video. The masks they are wearing are identified to be standard police issue. They are also holding radio transmitters similar to used by police but that would not prove anything. However, this is the only instance where the police have not heavily "interfered" to the event. The pressure they use on these guys is one tenth of what they use against unarmed civilians. There are quite few videos showing how they shoot people with water canon and literally threw them away. These plus the fact that this is literally the only video shown by all news agencies clearly indicate that the whole thing is staged. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxuOmnQpu8E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxuOmnQpu8E
- Demiurge 13y ago
  This is a video of something NO ONE is disputing. People just say "revolution" and "saying NO to tyranny", but what do you think that means in practice? What ELSE could there be on the video? It's people making molotov cocktails, stones, and throwing them at police. That's how it looks like, regardless if it was staged or not, which, to me, it seems obvious it's not. The crowds shown are huge, and the acting would be Oscar winning.
- sivetic 13y ago
  Exact same thing happened during protests in Canada. Government-hired people were caught trying to incite violence several times.
- afsina 13y ago
  `undercover police throwing molotov cocktails` -> citation needed.
  - cdash 13y ago
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/riot-police-throw-petrol-bombs-during-violent-protests-ukraine-1433371 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/riot-police-throw-petrol-bombs-duri...
    - sp332 13y ago
      You didn't answer the question - mathetic was asking about the Istanbul protest. (And the police in your photo aren't undercover.)
  - deleted 13y ago
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  - swamp40 13y ago
    Here you go: http://www.policymic.com/articles/79771/this-photo-is-going-viral-and-shows-how-bad-things-really-are-in-ukraine http://www.policymic.com/articles/79771/this-photo-is-going-...
sp332 13y ago
What do you expect it to look like?
- Demiurge 13y ago
  I don't expect it to look like anything else. I think this violence is terrible, and counterproductive to any non-anarchist cause, such as joining EU. I want these people to go home...
  - choonkeymoonkey 13y ago
    So does the criminal president. What a coincedence!
    - Demiurge 13y ago
      Hm, I wonder if we also both like air. Two coincidences?! No one is that gullible!!!
  - Ygg2 13y ago
    You can't protest from your home... There is a reason all demonstration happen in public. That is because if everyone is in house they aren't sure if the other people are satisfied or poltrons or ready to cause a change. Also don't tell me you can protest with your vote when government is ready to falsify those.
    - Demiurge 13y ago
      I'm only against violence and attacking police, not peaceful protests or civil disobedience. At this point, going home is the only way to get out of a situation that turned violent.
      - Ygg2 13y ago
        Yeah, except peaceful protests are banned and civil disobedience is useless. If you gather in the square the police has the right to beat you and arrest you, and they are fighting to oppose that. If you do nothing, you are silently accepting laws against protests and freedoms as just and fair. Between those choices, the only solution is violence, to show that state isn't strong enough to suppress you. A 'No' uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble. -- Gandhi
michaelt 13y ago
Has there ever been a war that wasn't predominantly fought with energetic young people?
xutopia 13y ago
Look at the channel this comes from: https://www.youtube.com/user/dzgmvs?feature=watch https://www.youtube.com/user/dzgmvs?feature=watch It looks like a ministry or something is releasing these videos. I live in Quebec and in August 2007 one branch of our police force did a false flag operation to discredit protesters and legitimize the use of force on civilians. They got caught by pacifist protesters who noticed the boots of the undercover cops were wearing the same boots as the police force: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow The police force then mistranslated the events by saying that the president we see in here asking the cops to "drop the rocks" saying that the president and others were asking them to "throw the rocks". I have no trust in anything coming from my government anymore. You know who got reprimanded for using provocateurs? No one! Similar techniques were used at the G20 and the media is playing right into the government's hands.
- Demiurge 13y ago
  I don't have time to watch at work, but did anyone in those videos actually get their face burned off?
  - sp332 13y ago
    This guy http://imgur.com/a/lnawg#157 http://imgur.com/a/lnawg#157
- iaskwhy 13y ago
  Similar thing happened in at least one case in Portugal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS8ak6zQzc4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS8ak6zQzc4 You can see a cop with a hoodie in the middle of the other policemen beating a reporter. It was showed in all news reports, they even interviewed the ministry about it but nothing happened. It is believed this happens in a lot more situations but it's really hard to proove.
cdash 13y ago
Yes, that is exactly what it looks like.
grey-area 13y ago
Does this look like a responsible police force maintaining order? http://www.policymic.com/articles/79771/this-photo-is-going-viral-and-shows-how-bad-things-really-are-in-ukraine http://www.policymic.com/articles/79771/this-photo-is-going-...

0grr 13y ago

The best part about a democracy is when the losers respect the electoral process, but this same logic seems to escape many liberals when in comes affairs of foreign countries, so they'll blindly bandwagon any rebel without a cause. Or, perhaps you aren't liberal and simply view civil strife as being good for western(American)interests - in which case you are a fit to work for the white house.