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There are a lot of programs that already let you do that - look for a firewall and a network logger, there are plenty to choose from. I would be in the running

by Paul_S 13y ago

There are a lot of programs that already let you do that - look for a firewall and a network logger, there are plenty to choose from. I would be in the running for the main prize then as I use a firewall with a whitelist policy. Everything is blocked (including the system) except the very few applications that I want to communicate. I would still lose to all the people who just disable the data connection.

buro9 13y ago
I meant for a non-technical audience. A game in which participation is to monitor your own data, and to actively play the game you increase your privacy. A game that educates people as to what your apps are doing and what your phone is doing. A game that to win (for some local definition of win) means to take control of your privacy. People like yourself, myself, and most of the HN audience will know how to run firewalls, VPNs, hosts files, rooted phones, disable data, etc. But the layman does not, or is unlikely to do those things as they're scary. They care, but they don't have a concept on how bad it is and what they can do to improve their lot.
- DanBC 13y ago
  It's an awesome idea. I'd give it some money if it was kick-started.
- Paul_S 13y ago
  I think we too often patronise average users. I think it's quite likely that they understand the situation but simply have a different opinion about the privacy/convenience trade-offs. Smacks a bit of "you'd agree with me if only you could understand the problem as well as I do" argument which doesn't account for people who have different values than us.
  - buro9 13y ago
    Now I feel bad as I was specifically thinking of my girlfriend and her academic peers who all have expressed that they would like to be more active in protecting their privacy but don't know where to begin. None of whom I'd patronise in any way. When talks over dinner strays onto the news of the last year it will inevitably end up with the question, "What can we do?". Part of the answer to that is to take steps to protect your own privacy, encrypt, reduce what you share with third parties, and operate a reasonably sane set of defaults with regards to how one protects their data. And I, who know how to take some steps, cannot realistically help, give guidance and support to them all. And they all have slightly different and nuanced perceptions of what their priority is, what they're seeking to achieve. Everyone has their own reasons. I personally am at the point in which I don't wish to become the 2010's equivalent of the guy who can give computer support to Windows users, and yet here are smart people wanting a simple way to explore their options and choose what to act on. I didn't mean game as in "cutesy candy stuff". Just a score would do, simple game theory... do some action, increase your score. A bit like the LastPass Security Check... which tests how many sites share the same password, how many have weak passwords, etc.

by Paul_S 13y ago

buro9 13y ago

I meant for a non-technical audience. A game in which participation is to monitor your own data, and to actively play the game you increase your privacy. A game that educates people as to what your apps are doing and what your phone is doing. A game that to win (for some local definition of win) means to take control of your privacy. People like yourself, myself, and most of the HN audience will know how to run firewalls, VPNs, hosts files, rooted phones, disable data, etc. But the layman does not, or is unlikely to do those things as they're scary. They care, but they don't have a concept on how bad it is and what they can do to improve their lot.

DanBC 13y ago
It's an awesome idea. I'd give it some money if it was kick-started.
Paul_S 13y ago
I think we too often patronise average users. I think it's quite likely that they understand the situation but simply have a different opinion about the privacy/convenience trade-offs. Smacks a bit of "you'd agree with me if only you could understand the problem as well as I do" argument which doesn't account for people who have different values than us.
- buro9 13y ago
  Now I feel bad as I was specifically thinking of my girlfriend and her academic peers who all have expressed that they would like to be more active in protecting their privacy but don't know where to begin. None of whom I'd patronise in any way. When talks over dinner strays onto the news of the last year it will inevitably end up with the question, "What can we do?". Part of the answer to that is to take steps to protect your own privacy, encrypt, reduce what you share with third parties, and operate a reasonably sane set of defaults with regards to how one protects their data. And I, who know how to take some steps, cannot realistically help, give guidance and support to them all. And they all have slightly different and nuanced perceptions of what their priority is, what they're seeking to achieve. Everyone has their own reasons. I personally am at the point in which I don't wish to become the 2010's equivalent of the guy who can give computer support to Windows users, and yet here are smart people wanting a simple way to explore their options and choose what to act on. I didn't mean game as in "cutesy candy stuff". Just a score would do, simple game theory... do some action, increase your score. A bit like the LastPass Security Check... which tests how many sites share the same password, how many have weak passwords, etc.