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What I find strange is that the same people who are against the federal government issued ID cards are also often completely ok, and in fact, very much in favor

by x0054 13y ago

What I find strange is that the same people who are against the federal government issued ID cards are also often completely ok, and in fact, very much in favor of what the NSA is doing. This is an observations for personal conversations, not some statistical fact, but I think many would agree with it. I find it very hard to wrap my head around that contradiction.

mseebach 13y ago
Well, more on topic, I find the opposite strange: that the same people who are outraged about NSA imply that people who are against mandatory government ID cards are stupid - such as the GP. In Denmark, you can barely sneeze without giving up your CPR (Central Person Registry) number. Taxes, health, public transport travel record, phone records, bank records and more are all indexed on the CPR number. They live in separate databases and the shutters between those databases are mostly solid, but there is much less opposition to attempts to lower the barriers to access of this data that I'm comfortable with. At the end of the day, why would you trust one end of the government (the above) and not another (NSA) with your data?
- walshemj 13y ago
  The NSA/SIS/Security Service (who have a very tightly controlled remit) vs some petty bureaucrat in the social security ministry whose targeted on how many people benefit the they can fuck over. NSA every time
- saraid216 13y ago
  I'm not outraged at the NSA. Not really sure how you read it in my original comment.
IanDrake 13y ago
To add to your anecdotal tally, I'm against federal ID cards AND what the NSA has done. I know who you're talking about though, the vast majority of the Republican party is high on talk of limited government, but short on implementation, especially in the name of security. To be clear, I really like what they've done in Estonia. But let's not kid ourselves, our government has only themselves in mind to benefit from the use of federal IDs.

by x0054 13y ago

mseebach 13y ago

Well, more on topic, I find the opposite strange: that the same people who are outraged about NSA imply that people who are against mandatory government ID cards are stupid - such as the GP. In Denmark, you can barely sneeze without giving up your CPR (Central Person Registry) number. Taxes, health, public transport travel record, phone records, bank records and more are all indexed on the CPR number. They live in separate databases and the shutters between those databases are mostly solid, but there is much less opposition to attempts to lower the barriers to access of this data that I'm comfortable with. At the end of the day, why would you trust one end of the government (the above) and not another (NSA) with your data?

walshemj 13y ago
The NSA/SIS/Security Service (who have a very tightly controlled remit) vs some petty bureaucrat in the social security ministry whose targeted on how many people benefit the they can fuck over. NSA every time
saraid216 13y ago
I'm not outraged at the NSA. Not really sure how you read it in my original comment.

IanDrake 13y ago

To add to your anecdotal tally, I'm against federal ID cards AND what the NSA has done. I know who you're talking about though, the vast majority of the Republican party is high on talk of limited government, but short on implementation, especially in the name of security. To be clear, I really like what they've done in Estonia. But let's not kid ourselves, our government has only themselves in mind to benefit from the use of federal IDs.