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Yes, it is. Coming to this mess from the joy of bundler/gems, npm, or hell, even CPAN will ruin your afternoon. It is just an unfortunate circumstance of the

by pak 13y ago

Yes, it is. Coming to this mess from the joy of bundler/gems, npm, or hell, even CPAN will ruin your afternoon. It is just an unfortunate circumstance of the community not efficiently converging on well designed standards quickly enough, and so, the rocky soil has sprouted strange twisty crops. There are articles on how the setuptools/distutils frankenhack pretty much set off the whole trainwreck that you see today, e.g.: http://blog.startifact.com/posts/older/a-history-of-python-packaging.html http://blog.startifact.com/posts/older/a-history-of-python-p... Armin (the OP) has also written about this sad history previously: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/ http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/

mixmastamyk 13y ago
Would be nice if there were one packaging tool all those languages were using instead of each one reinventing it.
- rmc 13y ago
  Something that integrated into your operating system distribution perhaps....
  - mh- 13y ago
    aptly put. you might be onto something.
    - mwexler 13y ago
      Groan. Well put, but still, groan. 8-)
    - mitchty 13y ago
      Whats apt going to do for me on Redhat/CentOS? The problem with package managers is the same as npm/gem.
      - mh- 13y ago
        not much, but it was harder to work yum into a relevant sentence. ..yum.
  - Debilski 13y ago
    An OS solution which allowed for versioned packages to be installed on a per-project base. That’d be something…
  - the_mitsuhiko 13y ago
    Unfortunately most linux systems do not support multi-version installs or installs local to a user or path.
    - muraiki 13y ago
      This comes very close: http://nixos.org/nixos/ http://nixos.org/nixos/
singingfish 13y ago
> or even CPAN ? Cpan, particularly cpanminus is excellent.
flavor8 13y ago
Also maven. It may require an XML manifest, but it's robust, easy to use, and has come to be a solid standard. Python may be a (mostly) nice language, but the infrastructure and tooling badly lags the Java world.

by pak 13y ago

mixmastamyk 13y ago

Would be nice if there were one packaging tool all those languages were using instead of each one reinventing it.

rmc 13y ago
Something that integrated into your operating system distribution perhaps....
- mh- 13y ago
  aptly put. you might be onto something.
  - mwexler 13y ago
    Groan. Well put, but still, groan. 8-)
  - mitchty 13y ago
    Whats apt going to do for me on Redhat/CentOS? The problem with package managers is the same as npm/gem.
    - mh- 13y ago
      not much, but it was harder to work yum into a relevant sentence. ..yum.
- Debilski 13y ago
  An OS solution which allowed for versioned packages to be installed on a per-project base. That’d be something…
- the_mitsuhiko 13y ago
  Unfortunately most linux systems do not support multi-version installs or installs local to a user or path.
  - muraiki 13y ago
    This comes very close: http://nixos.org/nixos/ http://nixos.org/nixos/

singingfish 13y ago

> or even CPAN ? Cpan, particularly cpanminus is excellent.

flavor8 13y ago

Also maven. It may require an XML manifest, but it's robust, easy to use, and has come to be a solid standard. Python may be a (mostly) nice language, but the infrastructure and tooling badly lags the Java world.