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Please take a minute to think about what the 'S' in NSA stands for, and how industrial espionage relates to that.

by wereHamster 13y ago

SkyMarshal 13y ago
Ask China the same question, they believe it's one and the same.
- betterunix 13y ago
  Yeah, and the US government is highly critical of China's industrial espionage campaign.
  - tptacek 13y ago
    And Germany is highly critical of France's industrial espionage. And Korea is highly critical of Israel's industrial espionage. Wherever you look, if you're seeing a highly advanced economy, there's a web of industrial espionage connecting it to every other economy.
    - betterunix 13y ago
      That does not mean it is right -- at the very least it is extremely hypocritical for the US, which is aggressively pursuing stronger copyright/patent/trade secrets in various trade agreements.
    - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
      But is this espionage carried out specifically by the Governments of these nations by and large? Or by agents of companies which reside in these countries? I'm not aware in these cases to be honest. The point being that the difference between companies committing industrial espionage, and a government instituted policy of said behavior, seems vastly different.
      - tptacek 13y ago
        Yes, by the governments.
        ItendToDisagree 13y ago
        That is pretty interesting and does not surprise me to be totally honest. It doesn't seem like something that any countries' public would likely think is a good thing (rather than a price of doing business/everybody does it so we should sort of deal). But then again, so many policies work in that fashion, it would be ridiculous to think this wouldn't be similar.
  - SkyMarshal 13y ago
    That doesn't mean China isn't correct. In fact, in terms of realpolitik they're obviously quite correct. Industrial/technological power = military power = security.
coldtea 13y ago
Security != let's fuck everybody the world over like a big bully, and compete unfairly, stealing their resources and secrets, while spouting BS about "free trade" and "open markets". Of course if you keep everybody down, or even if you kill everybody else, then you are "secure".
YokoZar 13y ago
Hint: it's not spying

Please take a minute to think about what the 'S' in NSA stands for, and how industrial espionage relates to that.

SkyMarshal 13y ago

Ask China the same question, they believe it's one and the same.

betterunix 13y ago
Yeah, and the US government is highly critical of China's industrial espionage campaign.
- tptacek 13y ago
  And Germany is highly critical of France's industrial espionage. And Korea is highly critical of Israel's industrial espionage. Wherever you look, if you're seeing a highly advanced economy, there's a web of industrial espionage connecting it to every other economy.
  - betterunix 13y ago
    That does not mean it is right -- at the very least it is extremely hypocritical for the US, which is aggressively pursuing stronger copyright/patent/trade secrets in various trade agreements.
  - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
    But is this espionage carried out specifically by the Governments of these nations by and large? Or by agents of companies which reside in these countries? I'm not aware in these cases to be honest. The point being that the difference between companies committing industrial espionage, and a government instituted policy of said behavior, seems vastly different.
    - tptacek 13y ago
      Yes, by the governments.
      - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
        That is pretty interesting and does not surprise me to be totally honest. It doesn't seem like something that any countries' public would likely think is a good thing (rather than a price of doing business/everybody does it so we should sort of deal). But then again, so many policies work in that fashion, it would be ridiculous to think this wouldn't be similar.
- SkyMarshal 13y ago
  That doesn't mean China isn't correct. In fact, in terms of realpolitik they're obviously quite correct. Industrial/technological power = military power = security.

coldtea 13y ago

Security != let's fuck everybody the world over like a big bully, and compete unfairly, stealing their resources and secrets, while spouting BS about "free trade" and "open markets". Of course if you keep everybody down, or even if you kill everybody else, then you are "secure".

YokoZar 13y ago

Hint: it's not spying