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How is asking for 'the rich to pay their share' a corollary to any Nazi actions? Am I missing some examples that I should know about of the Nazi's exterminating

How is asking for 'the rich to pay their share' a corollary to any Nazi actions? Am I missing some examples that I should know about of the Nazi's exterminating wealth and industry (rather than what they misguidedly considered 'undesirables' for racial purity reasons)?

hirundo 13y ago
Nowadays the language of 'social justice' (e.g. asking the rich to pay their share, when in a progressive tax regime they pay far more than that) is used to justify leveling behavior whereas in Nazi Germany the language of 'racial purity` was used towards the same ends. The verbal justifications change, but the underlying urge to evade one's own accountability for one's relative lack of success does not.
- ItendToDisagree 13y ago
  It sounds like you're implying that enforcing 'racial purity' through genocide is somehow analogous to having rich people (no strike that, unbelievably rich people) pay more taxes? That train of thought seems... frightening? (I really hope you didn't make that comment seriously.) Edit: And as pointed out in the article, many pay less than their share in the current tax regime. Many high-income earners pay a lower effective tax rate than low-income earners
- vezzy-fnord 13y ago
  Actually social justice nowadays very rarely addresses economic disparities, but rather focuses on identity politics. Unless you're referring to an alternate definition of SJ.
  - hirundo 13y ago
    Above a commenter says "How is asking for 'the rich to pay their share' a corollary to any Nazi actions?" How is this not using a social justice argument to address economic disparities? Do you really claim that such statements are rare?
- wonderzombie 13y ago
  "evade one's own accountability for one's relative lack of success does not." — this is it, in a nutshell. Those who earned deserve it. Those who didn't done. How do you know whether someone earned their success? Well, they're successful. Calvinism, just world fallacy, circular logic, and on and on.
  - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
    But do those who were successful (and success requires luck, not just a motivation, even Warren Buffet says this), deserve to pay less than those who are mildly successful, or poor? Because that is a thing and was pointed out in the article specifically. Many of the highest earners pay less proportionately than those in the middle class (or poor in some cases). Finally Successful does not necessarily mean it is earned success. Inheritance (or just being born into an upper class family and all of its benefits) is not earned and can in many cases lead to being 'successful'.
    - hirundo 13y ago
      They didn't necessarily earn it. They inherited it. They got it by luck. They're not good Germans. They are a degenerate race. Their tax rate wasn't high enough. <- Excuses for taking other people's stuff.
      - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
        You do not address the point that has been brought up many times so far; why should anyone (especially those people who are 'successful' and have arguably benefited most from society) pay a smaller portion than anyone else. Reducing to absurdity seems to be your only way to respond to anyone in this thread. It makes you sound pretty trollish and makes your comments hard to take seriously.

hirundo 13y ago

Nowadays the language of 'social justice' (e.g. asking the rich to pay their share, when in a progressive tax regime they pay far more than that) is used to justify leveling behavior whereas in Nazi Germany the language of 'racial purity` was used towards the same ends. The verbal justifications change, but the underlying urge to evade one's own accountability for one's relative lack of success does not.

ItendToDisagree 13y ago
It sounds like you're implying that enforcing 'racial purity' through genocide is somehow analogous to having rich people (no strike that, unbelievably rich people) pay more taxes? That train of thought seems... frightening? (I really hope you didn't make that comment seriously.) Edit: And as pointed out in the article, many pay less than their share in the current tax regime. Many high-income earners pay a lower effective tax rate than low-income earners
vezzy-fnord 13y ago
Actually social justice nowadays very rarely addresses economic disparities, but rather focuses on identity politics. Unless you're referring to an alternate definition of SJ.
- hirundo 13y ago
  Above a commenter says "How is asking for 'the rich to pay their share' a corollary to any Nazi actions?" How is this not using a social justice argument to address economic disparities? Do you really claim that such statements are rare?
wonderzombie 13y ago
"evade one's own accountability for one's relative lack of success does not." — this is it, in a nutshell. Those who earned deserve it. Those who didn't done. How do you know whether someone earned their success? Well, they're successful. Calvinism, just world fallacy, circular logic, and on and on.
- ItendToDisagree 13y ago
  But do those who were successful (and success requires luck, not just a motivation, even Warren Buffet says this), deserve to pay less than those who are mildly successful, or poor? Because that is a thing and was pointed out in the article specifically. Many of the highest earners pay less proportionately than those in the middle class (or poor in some cases). Finally Successful does not necessarily mean it is earned success. Inheritance (or just being born into an upper class family and all of its benefits) is not earned and can in many cases lead to being 'successful'.
  - hirundo 13y ago
    They didn't necessarily earn it. They inherited it. They got it by luck. They're not good Germans. They are a degenerate race. Their tax rate wasn't high enough. <- Excuses for taking other people's stuff.
    - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
      You do not address the point that has been brought up many times so far; why should anyone (especially those people who are 'successful' and have arguably benefited most from society) pay a smaller portion than anyone else. Reducing to absurdity seems to be your only way to respond to anyone in this thread. It makes you sound pretty trollish and makes your comments hard to take seriously.