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This must be facetious. If not, please explain. OP's thoughts seem rational to me.

by c7b0rg 13y ago

slurry 13y ago
Face-rational moralizing about people's lives and especially reproductive choices is, as a general principle, nearly always jerkish. "Only have kids once you're independently wealthy" qualifies as rational only on HN or Reddit.
- hobo_mark 13y ago
  How is it different from something like "I don't buy a house I can't afford"?
  - slurry 13y ago
    There are contexts (say, the comments section of a story on foreclosure) where "I don't buy a house I can't afford" would be a full-on raging asshole thing to say. But you went further than that: "I also don't understand how people chose to have a full-time job...AND kids" You clearly implied that holding any full time job and having kids was irresponsible. Because "I don't understand how [something about mores]" is a construction that American English speakers use to point out things they consider irrational, dumb or otherwise undesirable. You even anticipated that your comment would make people mad ("before you reach for the downvote button", "not judging anyone"). Because you went a good sight further than "I don't buy a house I can't afford." I think my initial judgment of "naive and/or jerkish" stands.
    - hobo_mark 13y ago
      Except I'm not an American English speaker. Anyhow, no "jerkishness" intended, this was mostly an observation after yesterday's thread "Where do you find the time for side projects?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7117131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7117131 where many parents chimed in on how they squeeze family time here and there between working and juggling side gigs, great for them, but I could not do it without burning out, and I would owe it to my family not to risk that. So long as I want to work long hours and risk my livelihood building things on the side and use my free time hacking, fine, I'll be on my own. The day I'll be able to afford a family (money-wise but particularly time-wise), I'll do so.
      - slurry 13y ago
        "Full time job" -> "side projects". I appreciate the shift.
ollysb 13y ago
It's rational but as a goal it's completely out of reach for most people (probably less so for the audience here).

This must be facetious. If not, please explain. OP's thoughts seem rational to me.

by c7b0rg 13y ago

This must be facetious. If not, please explain. OP's thoughts seem rational to me.

Face-rational moralizing about people's lives and especially reproductive choices is, as a general principle, nearly always jerkish. "Only have kids once you're independently wealthy" qualifies as rational only on HN or Reddit.

hobo_mark 13y ago
How is it different from something like "I don't buy a house I can't afford"?
- slurry 13y ago
  There are contexts (say, the comments section of a story on foreclosure) where "I don't buy a house I can't afford" would be a full-on raging asshole thing to say. But you went further than that: "I also don't understand how people chose to have a full-time job...AND kids" You clearly implied that holding any full time job and having kids was irresponsible. Because "I don't understand how [something about mores]" is a construction that American English speakers use to point out things they consider irrational, dumb or otherwise undesirable. You even anticipated that your comment would make people mad ("before you reach for the downvote button", "not judging anyone"). Because you went a good sight further than "I don't buy a house I can't afford." I think my initial judgment of "naive and/or jerkish" stands.
  - hobo_mark 13y ago
    Except I'm not an American English speaker. Anyhow, no "jerkishness" intended, this was mostly an observation after yesterday's thread "Where do you find the time for side projects?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7117131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7117131 where many parents chimed in on how they squeeze family time here and there between working and juggling side gigs, great for them, but I could not do it without burning out, and I would owe it to my family not to risk that. So long as I want to work long hours and risk my livelihood building things on the side and use my free time hacking, fine, I'll be on my own. The day I'll be able to afford a family (money-wise but particularly time-wise), I'll do so.
    - slurry 13y ago
      "Full time job" -> "side projects". I appreciate the shift.

ollysb 13y ago

It's rational but as a goal it's completely out of reach for most people (probably less so for the audience here).