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They also use Molotov cocktails to burn/kill police officers and some of them are using those air(?) guns.

by nikolak 13y ago

dmytrish 13y ago
None have been killed with a Molotov cocktail so far.
- nikolak 13y ago
  True, I didn't mean to imply that there have been deadly casualties, but that's the goal of throwing Molotov cocktail on someone. Saying that the protesters aren't using violence is wrong. None have been killed because they have firefighters and fire extinguishers with them, doesn't change the fact that throwing Molotov cocktail into someone's face can, and probably will, kill them.
  - TeMPOraL 13y ago
    I think the goal is probably to scare/deter them and make a piece of ground unpassable for a short while.
  - dmytrish 13y ago
    We've had two months of peaceful protest at Maidan being ignored politically and assaulted with police. Many activists have been beaten, some of them are dead. After two month of Yanukovych plainly ignoring protests and our opposition ("leaders" of the protest) being impotent, protesters were desperate, so the more radical part started to use the violence against police at Hrushevskogo street. Maidan is still a place for peaceful protest. I don't want to excuse our radical protesters, but the situation was grieve and radical protests succeeded at Yanukovych admitting that he has to do something.
  - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
    I don't think I've ever heard of a Molotov being directed at a person because that isn't what they are useful for. Not to mention the fact that unless you were to hit a shield/helmet you likely wouldn't break the bottle and ignite the contents. They have been primarily used for disabling vehicles and making some ground impassable. It doesn't appear that the wiki even references their use against individuals so much as against vehicles.
    - tomh 13y ago
      It looks like they are being used more against Berkut holding shields; once they break against those, the flaming contents then flow over the shields' owners. Much like in this short video (you will have to excuse the gallows-humor soundtrack, it's not my intention to make light of the scenario): http://coub.com/view/hgsj http://coub.com/view/hgsj
    - nikolak 13y ago
      > * It doesn't appear that the wiki even references their use against individuals so much as against vehicles.* No need for wiki citations when you can see it clearly being used against police forces here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8
      - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
        A pencil can be used against someone but it is not the primary intention. A pistol can be used against a Tank but it is not the primary intention. A molotov cocktail is primarily intended for anti-vehicle use, as many instances throughout history (indicated on the wiki page), shows to be the case. I'd never heard of it being used in an anti-personnel situation (you primarily hear about/see it in its intended capacity). But I guess it would be ridiculous to claim it never has been used against an individual.
    - aaronem 13y ago
      "Wikipedia doesn't mention Molotov cocktails being thrown at human targets, so it must not ever happen, and wouldn't really matter anyway if it did." Oh, HN! You marvel of marvels. Don't you ever change.
      - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
        so it must not ever happen, and wouldn't really matter anyway if it did. You really do sum up HN right there! Congrats! ;)
- cdash 13y ago
  In fact I would like someone to point me to a documented case where a riot officer has ever been killed from a molotov cocktail because I seriously do not think it has ever happened anywhere in the world.
- kombine 13y ago
  The same guy reports that one of the cops got severe burns on his head and lost his eyesight as a result. So yes, you're right, noone was killed yet.
us0r 13y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlFhr-TPZw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlFhr-TPZw Keep throwing that molotov!
- nikolak 13y ago
  Yeah, that definitely justifies setting someone on fire. The protesters are just this peaceful bunch of people who would never do something like that, hurt other people who are just standing there... /s http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=959_1390672028 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=959_1390672028 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8
  - Mithaldu 13y ago
    These police are just standing there, shielding people who previously happily allowed the police to brutalize peacefully protesting civilians and even tried to poison political enemies. So no, they are not simply standing there. Further, the protesters in the liveleak video only hit police armed with riot gear and once they're rid of that largely leave them alone. That is astonishing control.
    - nikolak 13y ago
      By that logic, would you agree that police should use any force necessary(beatings, etc) to cut through peaceful demonstrators and arrest those who are not peaceful, throwing Molotov's and such, because after all these peaceful protesters are just protecting those who aren't? Further, the police in the video only hit protesters and then leave them alone. That is astonishing control.
  - us0r 13y ago
    The protesters absolutely have been a peaceful bunch. You when they turned violent? After the first video I posted. Had that never happened there would probably be no one on the street right now and he can continue raping the country as usual. After that day or two it goes back to being peaceful and a few weeks later he tried it again. Every single time this thing kind of starts fading out he goes in and fails at violently clearing it up then 2x the people join in. Are there radicals? Sure. They are limited in number and are definitely not the majority or "uncontrollable" as the Russian media reports it.

They also use Molotov cocktails to burn/kill police officers and some of them are using those air(?) guns.

by nikolak 13y ago

They also use Molotov cocktails to burn/kill police officers and some of them are using those air(?) guns.

dmytrish 13y ago

None have been killed with a Molotov cocktail so far.

nikolak 13y ago
True, I didn't mean to imply that there have been deadly casualties, but that's the goal of throwing Molotov cocktail on someone. Saying that the protesters aren't using violence is wrong. None have been killed because they have firefighters and fire extinguishers with them, doesn't change the fact that throwing Molotov cocktail into someone's face can, and probably will, kill them.
- TeMPOraL 13y ago
  I think the goal is probably to scare/deter them and make a piece of ground unpassable for a short while.
- dmytrish 13y ago
  We've had two months of peaceful protest at Maidan being ignored politically and assaulted with police. Many activists have been beaten, some of them are dead. After two month of Yanukovych plainly ignoring protests and our opposition ("leaders" of the protest) being impotent, protesters were desperate, so the more radical part started to use the violence against police at Hrushevskogo street. Maidan is still a place for peaceful protest. I don't want to excuse our radical protesters, but the situation was grieve and radical protests succeeded at Yanukovych admitting that he has to do something.
- ItendToDisagree 13y ago
  I don't think I've ever heard of a Molotov being directed at a person because that isn't what they are useful for. Not to mention the fact that unless you were to hit a shield/helmet you likely wouldn't break the bottle and ignite the contents. They have been primarily used for disabling vehicles and making some ground impassable. It doesn't appear that the wiki even references their use against individuals so much as against vehicles.
  - tomh 13y ago
    It looks like they are being used more against Berkut holding shields; once they break against those, the flaming contents then flow over the shields' owners. Much like in this short video (you will have to excuse the gallows-humor soundtrack, it's not my intention to make light of the scenario): http://coub.com/view/hgsj http://coub.com/view/hgsj
  - nikolak 13y ago
    > * It doesn't appear that the wiki even references their use against individuals so much as against vehicles.* No need for wiki citations when you can see it clearly being used against police forces here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8
    - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
      A pencil can be used against someone but it is not the primary intention. A pistol can be used against a Tank but it is not the primary intention. A molotov cocktail is primarily intended for anti-vehicle use, as many instances throughout history (indicated on the wiki page), shows to be the case. I'd never heard of it being used in an anti-personnel situation (you primarily hear about/see it in its intended capacity). But I guess it would be ridiculous to claim it never has been used against an individual.
  - aaronem 13y ago
    "Wikipedia doesn't mention Molotov cocktails being thrown at human targets, so it must not ever happen, and wouldn't really matter anyway if it did." Oh, HN! You marvel of marvels. Don't you ever change.
    - ItendToDisagree 13y ago
      so it must not ever happen, and wouldn't really matter anyway if it did. You really do sum up HN right there! Congrats! ;)
cdash 13y ago
In fact I would like someone to point me to a documented case where a riot officer has ever been killed from a molotov cocktail because I seriously do not think it has ever happened anywhere in the world.
kombine 13y ago
The same guy reports that one of the cops got severe burns on his head and lost his eyesight as a result. So yes, you're right, noone was killed yet.

us0r 13y ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlFhr-TPZw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlFhr-TPZw Keep throwing that molotov!

nikolak 13y ago
Yeah, that definitely justifies setting someone on fire. The protesters are just this peaceful bunch of people who would never do something like that, hurt other people who are just standing there... /s http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=959_1390672028 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=959_1390672028 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuO53xeZkm8
- Mithaldu 13y ago
  These police are just standing there, shielding people who previously happily allowed the police to brutalize peacefully protesting civilians and even tried to poison political enemies. So no, they are not simply standing there. Further, the protesters in the liveleak video only hit police armed with riot gear and once they're rid of that largely leave them alone. That is astonishing control.
  - nikolak 13y ago
    By that logic, would you agree that police should use any force necessary(beatings, etc) to cut through peaceful demonstrators and arrest those who are not peaceful, throwing Molotov's and such, because after all these peaceful protesters are just protecting those who aren't? Further, the police in the video only hit protesters and then leave them alone. That is astonishing control.
- us0r 13y ago
  The protesters absolutely have been a peaceful bunch. You when they turned violent? After the first video I posted. Had that never happened there would probably be no one on the street right now and he can continue raping the country as usual. After that day or two it goes back to being peaceful and a few weeks later he tried it again. Every single time this thing kind of starts fading out he goes in and fails at violently clearing it up then 2x the people join in. Are there radicals? Sure. They are limited in number and are definitely not the majority or "uncontrollable" as the Russian media reports it.