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Joining the common European market would be a great step towards prosperity, sure, with mutual benefits for everyone, as well as increased security, stability a

by arrrg 13y ago

Joining the common European market would be a great step towards prosperity, sure, with mutual benefits for everyone, as well as increased security, stability and peace. Having a large common market you can buy from and sell to is pretty awesome, actually. Add the pretty great more human benefits (freedom of movement, freedom of labor) and it’s a pretty great perspective. As it stands, however, the Ukraine is probably decades away from that – but I can’t see how that could possibly be a bad thing to work towards.

csomar 13y ago
Joining the common European market would be a great step towards prosperity, sure, with mutual benefits for everyone, as well as increased security, stability and peace. Big claims need big justifications, I guess. The EU experience wasn't all that good for Greece, for example.
- rosser 13y ago
  The EU experience wasn't all that good for Greece, for example. Having to defang their military a bit to be considered for EU admission didn't exactly work out ideally for Turkey, either...
- stdbrouw 13y ago
  Well, Greece kind of shot themselves in the foot didn't they? http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis... http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/07/greece-and-euro http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/07/greece-a...
- claudius 13y ago
  > The EU experience wasn't all that good for Greece, for example. Greece got itself into a bloody mess by overspending, and while low interest rates due to Eurozone membership may have made that easier, it is in no way the fault of the EU that the Greek people elected an inept government. OTOH, EU membership now helps them get out of this mess with billions and billions of euros.
- arrrg 13y ago
  Your complete lack of any historical perspective is deeply disturbing. The EU’s achievements when it comes to prosperity and peace are mind-boggling.
altero 13y ago
> Joining the common European market But this joining would be one direction, Ukraine would not be allowed to export into EU thanks to various regulations. Also Ukraine already has common market with Russia, and this would have to close. This deal is actually really bad for Ukraine.
- ghostdiver 13y ago
  From typical Ukrainian POV EU is just better place to live and it is all about long term plans. Sure, Ukraine will have difficult time during adoption of EU rules and regulation, but in the end they will have better living.

by arrrg 13y ago

csomar 13y ago

Joining the common European market would be a great step towards prosperity, sure, with mutual benefits for everyone, as well as increased security, stability and peace. Big claims need big justifications, I guess. The EU experience wasn't all that good for Greece, for example.

rosser 13y ago
The EU experience wasn't all that good for Greece, for example. Having to defang their military a bit to be considered for EU admission didn't exactly work out ideally for Turkey, either...
stdbrouw 13y ago
Well, Greece kind of shot themselves in the foot didn't they? http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis... http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/07/greece-and-euro http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/07/greece-a...
claudius 13y ago
> The EU experience wasn't all that good for Greece, for example. Greece got itself into a bloody mess by overspending, and while low interest rates due to Eurozone membership may have made that easier, it is in no way the fault of the EU that the Greek people elected an inept government. OTOH, EU membership now helps them get out of this mess with billions and billions of euros.
arrrg 13y ago
Your complete lack of any historical perspective is deeply disturbing. The EU’s achievements when it comes to prosperity and peace are mind-boggling.

altero 13y ago

> Joining the common European market But this joining would be one direction, Ukraine would not be allowed to export into EU thanks to various regulations. Also Ukraine already has common market with Russia, and this would have to close. This deal is actually really bad for Ukraine.

ghostdiver 13y ago
From typical Ukrainian POV EU is just better place to live and it is all about long term plans. Sure, Ukraine will have difficult time during adoption of EU rules and regulation, but in the end they will have better living.