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Wasn't the whole point of Snapchat undermined by the fact that they weren't really deleting the snaps [1] ? Just renaming the snaps with a '.nomedia' extension

• shalalala 13y ago
  Someone needs to coin a term for businesses like Snapchat. They offer nil in the way of progress, yet act like they are all about progress. They offer no lasting value, yet you know they store all these snaps and will sell your info later through meta tags. They offer a free service, so you know you're the product. They target teenagers whose minds have not fully developed and sell their info to adults so they can advertise to them more effectively. They should shut down their service, take the money they have, and make something that improves the world. We don't really need another leech, or a shell vehicle for the rich to hedge in.
  • vezzy-fnord 13y ago
    Pretty sure Snapchat falls under the definition of the archetypal cash cow. They target teenagers whose minds have not fully developed and sell their info to adults so they can advertise to them more effectively. Frankly I have no sympathy for such people, but I agree that ultimately Snapchat is a useless trend. It will be replaced soon enough.
    • aswanson 13y ago
      I find snapchat hilarious, almost as hilarious as the vc defense/commentary regarding their rejection of 3 mmm as rational. It's a good thing the founders got a partial cash out; but I think that this company will serve as iconic peak idiocy for this investment cycle. But fuck, I've been wrong before.
      • sanxiyn 13y ago
        Like pets.com?
      • hnriot 13y ago
        you don't get it. FB's audience are aging out, they are too busy with their careers, dealing with newborns and aging parents. Snapchat is a brand that has an increasing number of new eyeballs to sell ads to. It's not anything to do with how much good snapchat is doing in the world, or how their 'service' is bringing a new benefit to humanity, all that matters is the next generation with purchasing power are looking at it.
        • aswanson 13y ago
          Like I said I've been wrong before. I recall thinking Zuckerberg was a fool for not taking yahoos offer for a billion. I was wrong, but I didn't know about partial liquidation back then. It's not as binary an outcome. Once you get f u money, might as well swing for the fences. Rock on, Spiegel and Murphy. I can't hate.
    • hnriot 13y ago
      I'm sure snapchat isn't looking for your sympathy. What trend? Snapchat brings an age old mating ritual to the digital age in a way that's appealing to the age group that spends most of their daily energy trying to garner the attention of the opposite gender. There's no trend here, it's just life in the digital age. ...those same not fully developed minds that society thinks amply prepared to go into war to kill and maim. I'm pretty sure they can handle 1-10 seconds of naked body parts.
    • calinet6 13y ago
      As a user of snapchat, I've found unexpected value in the type of interaction it offers. My entire family is on it: we communicate visually daily where we never communicated before. We don't have to worry about making the communication high quality or meaningful because it's ephemeral; the fact that the communication is happening at all is high quality and meaningful. If it's replaced, whatever comes next will probably be informed by the human way in which snapchat communicates, and hopefully will build on the idea. Just think of it as a mobile translation of a core communication concept: simply looking at someone and talking to them, which is by nature visual and ephemeral. Snapchat captures some of the core emotions and psychology there that nothing else before it had. Just saying—the instinct is to see Snapchat as useless and valueless and an enigma of popularity and hive mentality. I don't think it is.
      • unclebucknasty 13y ago
        >We don't have to worry about making the communication high quality or meaningful because it's ephemeral; the fact that the communication is happening at all is high quality and meaningful. Wow. There is value in a service because it enables meaningless communication. Is this what it's come to? Perhaps it's a problem that your family didn't communicate before Snapchat. Perhaps it would be better to address that, rather than substitute meaningless communication, then call it good. Perhaps Snapchat is making you feel better now, but leaving you worse off in the long run--kind of like heroin. The more you use it, the emptier you feel. >Snapchat captures some of the core emotions and psychology there that nothing else before it had. How about actually taking time to visit with people and talk to them? How about having actual experiences with them? Do these capture core emotions? What is this idea that every human or social function has to have an app or be captured in a product (and monetized)? Why does the act of filling our human needs require interception and redirection for the sake of profit? Snapchat is just one in a sea of products (including media, celebrity worship, reality shows, etc.) aimed at making life a series of distractions from the emptiness and meaninglessness that haunt us. Of course, these very distractions in lieu of pursuing thoughtful, meaningful lives and quality relationships leave us feeling even emptier; thus ever hungrier for the next distraction. A vicious cycle if ever there was one. Snapchat is an empty tool of distraction, that happens to fit a culture which is pushing itself to crave ever more of the same. Period. Trying to credit it for filling some deep emotional need is like crediting the iceberg's mass for later slowing the Titanic's sinking. Snapchat isn't the solution for what ails us. It's the cause of it.
  • toomuchtodo 13y ago
    > Someone needs to coin a term for businesses like Snapchat. Psychopathic Hockeystick. Please note I'm referring only to the company, and not its owners/founders when I coined this.
  • AndrewKemendo 13y ago
    They should shut down their service, take the money they have, and make something that improves the world The problem is, if they did that they wouldn't have any money as it's all VC wrapped
  • calinet6 13y ago
    "They offer nil in the way of progress, yet act like they are all about progress." There's some lesson here in the value of distilling an experience to its bare emotional essence. They did actually capture something of value, and created (perhaps by accident, perhaps intentionally) something that brings an unmistakeable humanity to what used to be cold and technological. This is some sort of progress, I think. We could use more humanity in our technology. In fact I'd say it could be the next big set of problems to solve.
  • nl 13y ago
    Sorry, I think I'm dumb today. They offer nil in the way of progress, yet act like they are all about progress. What does this mean? and will sell your info later through meta tags What does through meta tags mean? They should shut down their service, take the money they have, and make something that improves the world. Communication doesn't improve the world? Why not? We don't really need another leech, or a shell vehicle for the rich to hedge in. What's the hedge here? This post sort of nearly makes sense, but doesn't quite. Is it generated by a Markov chain?
• girvo 13y ago
  That was an issue in the past, yeah. But it also sort of misses the point. While you and I care about whether those snaps truly are properly removed from memory, your average 14-25yo using SnapChat doesn't. They don't care that if they jailbroke their iPhone they could get the snaps possibly (though iirc that's been fixed). All they care about is the fact that by default they know that the snaps will no longer be accessible after a time to the people they send them to, through the default interface, with screenshotting (which sends a notification back to the sender).
  • andrewfong 13y ago
    I think it's even simpler than that. Your average 14-25yo just cares about whether their parents and employers can view their snaps. Any barrier that requires more than 10 minutes of effort to circumvent is good enough in that respect.
• nostromo 13y ago
  It doesn't need to be bulletproof. It needs to be more ephemeral than Facebook.
  • calinet6 13y ago
    It doesn't even have to actually work. It just has to offer the experience of ephemerality.
  • lucasnb 13y ago
    I wonder if the newer ephemeral apps like Whisper etc... will ever catch on as much as Snapchat did. They're basically trying to be more like Facebook in terms of functionality but they've added optional ephemerality on everything you post.
• Kiro 13y ago
  No, it makes no difference at all. I would have thought the same before but you really need to use Snapchat to understand what it's all about.