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Nobody sees the inside so its kind of like they did it to justify the price. In my opinion the Mac Pro/All Macs would be a lot more interesting if I knew I coul

Nobody sees the inside so its kind of like they did it to justify the price. In my opinion the Mac Pro/All Macs would be a lot more interesting if I knew I could install any OS I want on it without a performance loss and it was officially allowed by Apple.

Bud 13y ago
As far as I know, various Unix versions, as well as Win7, will run just fine. No artificial performance penalties, and Apple is currently doing precisely NOTHING to disallow installation of alternate OSes. This has been the case for years.
- joshuapants 13y ago
  Try booting a Linux install USB on a Mac sometime
  - tekacs 13y ago
    Running Linux installed by this method on a (2008) Mac right now. Have done the same on recent (2012, 2013) models, too. Macs have been using EFI boot for a few years, so the problem most have probably faced is trying to boot in BIOS emulation mode (which I've found to be iffy on pretty much every EFI motherboard I've come across). Arch Linux has particularly good support. :P
  - btgeekboy 13y ago
    I did, a few months ago. Booted both Fedora 19 and 20 Beta on a 2012 13" rMBP. Worked decently well, especially with how the version of Gnome included in F20 knows how to properly deal with high DPI displays.
    - joshuapants 13y ago
      Hasn't worked for me at all no matter how I create the USB, working with a 2011 MBP. Tried literally every method, and several distros.
      - abrowne 13y ago
        I've had good luck booting Fedora (at least 19 and 20, and I think 18) on Macs. Other distros don't seem to work with Apple's EFI implementation. To boot other distros, I've had good luck with the refind[1] bootloader. Granted, I have only been booting live USBs, not installing on the internal drive. 1: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
- Orva 13y ago
  Except getting macbook to boot anything else than OSX or Windows requires bunch of stuff that I can only describe as 'hacks'. At least it was like so couple years ago (http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12037.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12037.html) and I haven't heard that things would be different today.
IgorPartola 13y ago
You can and you won't and it is. Performance issues are from the fact that other OS's don't support the hardware properly.
lstamour 13y ago
If/when I get one, I'm going to run it without the shiny exterior as much as possible. That thing is too shiny and I much prefer the aesthetic of PC boards and parts on a Pro machine. (Then again I run my Windows tower with the sides off too, though that's because I was too lazy to hook up the power button and front USB ports.)
- sounds 13y ago
  It has a sensor that disallows running it with the case off. Disabling the sensor would void the warranty. Not saying nobody will do it, because I'm quite certain someone will (or already has?). But you'll probably have to actually spring for your _own_ MacPro to mod the sensor.
  - weinzierl 13y ago
    Thermal design might rely on a laminar air flow inside the cylinder and taking the case off could result in increased tempatures. Of course we will only know if someone tries it and reports the measured temperatures.
    - lstamour 13y ago
      Well this is quite useful to know. I'm going to hope, then, that I can build or buy a clear plastic version of the casing. :)
  - weinzierl 13y ago
    Thermal design might rely on a laminar air flow inside the cylinder and taking the case off could result in increased tempatures. Of course we will only know if someone tries it and reports the measured temperatures.
avn2109 13y ago
The IT guy in my building claims "MBP's are the best Windows laptops on the market." I'm probably not in a position to say whether or not it's true, but it seems to be at least a defensible position.
- ProAm 13y ago
  Which building?
fastball 13y ago
Well, considering the fact that Apple made a program called "Bootcamp" which simplifies the process of installing Windows on your machine, I'd say other OSes are officially allowed by Apple. In fact, I have Win7, OS 10.9, and Arch Linux on this computer (early 2013 MBP Retina)

Bud 13y ago

As far as I know, various Unix versions, as well as Win7, will run just fine. No artificial performance penalties, and Apple is currently doing precisely NOTHING to disallow installation of alternate OSes. This has been the case for years.

joshuapants 13y ago
Try booting a Linux install USB on a Mac sometime
- tekacs 13y ago
  Running Linux installed by this method on a (2008) Mac right now. Have done the same on recent (2012, 2013) models, too. Macs have been using EFI boot for a few years, so the problem most have probably faced is trying to boot in BIOS emulation mode (which I've found to be iffy on pretty much every EFI motherboard I've come across). Arch Linux has particularly good support. :P
- btgeekboy 13y ago
  I did, a few months ago. Booted both Fedora 19 and 20 Beta on a 2012 13" rMBP. Worked decently well, especially with how the version of Gnome included in F20 knows how to properly deal with high DPI displays.
  - joshuapants 13y ago
    Hasn't worked for me at all no matter how I create the USB, working with a 2011 MBP. Tried literally every method, and several distros.
    - abrowne 13y ago
      I've had good luck booting Fedora (at least 19 and 20, and I think 18) on Macs. Other distros don't seem to work with Apple's EFI implementation. To boot other distros, I've had good luck with the refind[1] bootloader. Granted, I have only been booting live USBs, not installing on the internal drive. 1: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
Orva 13y ago
Except getting macbook to boot anything else than OSX or Windows requires bunch of stuff that I can only describe as 'hacks'. At least it was like so couple years ago (http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12037.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12037.html) and I haven't heard that things would be different today.

IgorPartola 13y ago

You can and you won't and it is. Performance issues are from the fact that other OS's don't support the hardware properly.

lstamour 13y ago

If/when I get one, I'm going to run it without the shiny exterior as much as possible. That thing is too shiny and I much prefer the aesthetic of PC boards and parts on a Pro machine. (Then again I run my Windows tower with the sides off too, though that's because I was too lazy to hook up the power button and front USB ports.)

sounds 13y ago
It has a sensor that disallows running it with the case off. Disabling the sensor would void the warranty. Not saying nobody will do it, because I'm quite certain someone will (or already has?). But you'll probably have to actually spring for your _own_ MacPro to mod the sensor.
- weinzierl 13y ago
  Thermal design might rely on a laminar air flow inside the cylinder and taking the case off could result in increased tempatures. Of course we will only know if someone tries it and reports the measured temperatures.
  - lstamour 13y ago
    Well this is quite useful to know. I'm going to hope, then, that I can build or buy a clear plastic version of the casing. :)
- weinzierl 13y ago
  Thermal design might rely on a laminar air flow inside the cylinder and taking the case off could result in increased tempatures. Of course we will only know if someone tries it and reports the measured temperatures.

avn2109 13y ago

The IT guy in my building claims "MBP's are the best Windows laptops on the market." I'm probably not in a position to say whether or not it's true, but it seems to be at least a defensible position.

ProAm 13y ago
Which building?

fastball 13y ago

Well, considering the fact that Apple made a program called "Bootcamp" which simplifies the process of installing Windows on your machine, I'd say other OSes are officially allowed by Apple. In fact, I have Win7, OS 10.9, and Arch Linux on this computer (early 2013 MBP Retina)