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Evil is teaching people to view themselves as weak victims at every available opportunity.

by paul 13y ago

mtrimpe 13y ago
Wait; did you just define calling out a needlessly offensive name as evil? You do realise that would sort of be making the exact point I was trying to make, right? Or am I missing some seriously self-deprecating joke here?
- paul 13y ago
  Words are meaningless without definition. You say that the word "bro" is needlessly offensive. Let me ask you, where is your balance point? What is the right level of offensive? The cost of censorship is real, and teaching people to be helpless victims does more harm than any word ever could.
  - KVFinn 13y ago
    >The cost of censorship is real A portion of your potential audience giving you feedback that think that they the name is bad is 'censorship'?
  - mtrimpe 13y ago
    Yet even without definitions you are typing words and I am reading them and we're having a conversation here, so let's not go pretend-meta here. The right level of offensive is the level that, given all viewpoints, does the most to benefit to society as a whole. You're a rich straight white guy whose only discomfort over this comes down to not being able to say whatever you damn well want whenever you damn well please. From this thread you can clearly see that there's a shit ton of people, many of whom have to re-evaluate their every word and action in our industry, for whom this triggers feelings of marginalization, ridicule and disrespect. Insisting on maintaining your privilege over theirs and even going so far as to label their reactions as taught helplessness and defining that as evil ... well ... that pretty much sounds like the root of all evil to me.
    - jacobtracey 13y ago
      > You're a rich straight white guy Could you be any more offensive and dismissive? What difference does his cultural background have when discussing the name of a piece of software? Oh, wait, everything right? Cisgendered, rich white men are the enemy! If you want, think of 'bro' as a shortened version of 'brochure'. Is it less offensive to you now?
      - mtrimpe 13y ago
        When somebody starts victim-shaming people it's very relevant to bring up the fact that they are in a social position where they have the least possible real-world experience with the negative side of the issues they're being dismissive about. But yeah; the tone argument. Good to see that brought up. Going through your comment history is literally Derailment Bingo gold. I'm sure paul is happy to know that his bro's still have his back. ;)
        jacobtracey 13y ago
        "Victim shaming", "Privilege", "Tone argument", "Derailment". Hope you're enjoying all that kool aid, bro. :)

Evil is teaching people to view themselves as weak victims at every available opportunity.

by paul 13y ago

Evil is teaching people to view themselves as weak victims at every available opportunity.

Wait; did you just define calling out a needlessly offensive name as evil? You do realise that would sort of be making the exact point I was trying to make, right? Or am I missing some seriously self-deprecating joke here?

paul 13y ago
Words are meaningless without definition. You say that the word "bro" is needlessly offensive. Let me ask you, where is your balance point? What is the right level of offensive? The cost of censorship is real, and teaching people to be helpless victims does more harm than any word ever could.
- KVFinn 13y ago
  >The cost of censorship is real A portion of your potential audience giving you feedback that think that they the name is bad is 'censorship'?
- mtrimpe 13y ago
  Yet even without definitions you are typing words and I am reading them and we're having a conversation here, so let's not go pretend-meta here. The right level of offensive is the level that, given all viewpoints, does the most to benefit to society as a whole. You're a rich straight white guy whose only discomfort over this comes down to not being able to say whatever you damn well want whenever you damn well please. From this thread you can clearly see that there's a shit ton of people, many of whom have to re-evaluate their every word and action in our industry, for whom this triggers feelings of marginalization, ridicule and disrespect. Insisting on maintaining your privilege over theirs and even going so far as to label their reactions as taught helplessness and defining that as evil ... well ... that pretty much sounds like the root of all evil to me.
  - jacobtracey 13y ago
    > You're a rich straight white guy Could you be any more offensive and dismissive? What difference does his cultural background have when discussing the name of a piece of software? Oh, wait, everything right? Cisgendered, rich white men are the enemy! If you want, think of 'bro' as a shortened version of 'brochure'. Is it less offensive to you now?
    - mtrimpe 13y ago
      When somebody starts victim-shaming people it's very relevant to bring up the fact that they are in a social position where they have the least possible real-world experience with the negative side of the issues they're being dismissive about. But yeah; the tone argument. Good to see that brought up. Going through your comment history is literally Derailment Bingo gold. I'm sure paul is happy to know that his bro's still have his back. ;)
      - jacobtracey 13y ago
        "Victim shaming", "Privilege", "Tone argument", "Derailment". Hope you're enjoying all that kool aid, bro. :)