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You're shitting us right? Manpages referred to manuals, not men. But given that I'm obviously swimming against the tide here at HN I'll just cave ..... Word,

by mtrimpe 13y ago

You're shitting us right? Manpages referred to manuals, not men. But given that I'm obviously swimming against the tide here at HN I'll just cave ..... Word, brah! Like, totally right on! We should be making like 'sispages' next with like only explanations and shit. Get it? For like the sissy-grammers! Awesome dude. You da bomb!

lhnz 13y ago
Yes, I was kidding about 'man', but my point is that 'bro' isn't that exclusionary. In fact, I think the problem here is that a lot of geeks don't like 'bros' and I am doubting that they're hated by women as much. Personal opinion here, but: a lot of women have friends that are bros; a lot fewer geeks have friends that are bros.
- couchand 13y ago
  Curious that you seem to think that women and geeks are mutually exclusive groups...
  - lhnz 13y ago
    No I didn't say that. I think that is completely false. >> A lot of geeks don't like 'bros' and I am doubting that they're hated by women as much. Personal opinion here, but: a lot of women have friends that are bros; a lot fewer geeks have friends that are bros. I think women that are geeks also have fewer 'bro' friends. Geek is a property of men and women, it is not a mutually-exclusive group. Nice try, trying to implicate me in sexism but I do not like it when people try to read things into what I say that I've never implied. I intended one thing, stop trying to use it against me... What I am saying is that I think a group of non-genderised geeks define the label 'bro' by its negative connotations more so than the greater super set of non-geeks (even those which are of the female gender.) It's a case of a new set of people 'bros' joining another set of people 'geeks'; it's exactly the same group behaviour as you see when people from different cultures immigrate into a country; same us-vs-them group behaviour; same magnification and amplification of negative connotations. A bro is just a stereotype. People are people and you should get to know them first before rejecting them (and especially if there are negative behaviours that you want to treat.)
    - GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
      If people are often reading sexist intent into your words maybe you ought to consider the possibility that the things you are writing are, in fact, sexist. Or be more careful.
      - lhnz 13y ago
        It rarely happens. And in this case I think it was blatant and aggressive straw-manning. I simply have no patience for people being exclusionary that accuse me of being exclusionary.
      - dreamfactory2 13y ago
        On the other hand, it may say much more about the person doing the misinterpreting.
- wildgift 13y ago
  Yes. Geek culture isn't about being a bro. When I think about "bros" I think about guys who party, and then let someone else do the work. It's about power disguised as being carefree. Geek culture is about a kind of unification of mind and action. It's also about creativity within traditions.
001sky 13y ago
Exactly...this is merley trend_bastardization...not original thinking. ...but hey #1 on HN... Let's call it a "growth hack", bro ;D
pstack 13y ago
I can't tell if people here are being intentionally thick or not. "Is bro supposed to be sexist or is it meant to be ironic?" "Man referred to manual, not men!" I can't even imagine many of you people watching a stand-up comic. Your heads must verge on exploding. The diagram for the pun/humor here would be about as simple as a diagram could be.
- neumann 13y ago
  Well, bad comedy is still bad. Much like the naming of this idea. The term is already reserved for a subgroup that celebrates itself for being exclusionary, crass and insistently unreflective about its privilege in society.
  - pstack 13y ago
    It has been a casual term of friendship and acknowledgement between guys for even longer than it has been a douche-bag-frat-boy-sleazy-programmer reference, however. There's not really any need to associate every occurrence of the word "bro" with that, unless it is clearly intended to do so (which, maybe this is, I wouldn't know). I just know that getting irate over this, at the moment, is like losing your crap over someone including a "manifest" file with their software. People gotta calm down and not be so jumpy. There's enough intentionally offensive and exclusionary stuff going on in our world without assuming everything else is, too. Not to say I disagree with you about the way it is often used, though. Nothing more grating than playing a game and hearing a bunch of teenagers say "bro" and "brah" thirty-seven times per minute.
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      > It has been a casual term of friendship and acknowledgement between guys for even longer than it has been a douche-bag-frat-boy-sleazy-programmer reference, however. In my entire life, I have only heard "bro" come from the mouths of bullying douche-bag frat-boy sleazes, usually while telling me the assault they just committed against me was "just a joke". It has never come from anyone I would willingly subject myself to.

by mtrimpe 13y ago

lhnz 13y ago

Yes, I was kidding about 'man', but my point is that 'bro' isn't that exclusionary. In fact, I think the problem here is that a lot of geeks don't like 'bros' and I am doubting that they're hated by women as much. Personal opinion here, but: a lot of women have friends that are bros; a lot fewer geeks have friends that are bros.

couchand 13y ago
Curious that you seem to think that women and geeks are mutually exclusive groups...
- lhnz 13y ago
  No I didn't say that. I think that is completely false. >> A lot of geeks don't like 'bros' and I am doubting that they're hated by women as much. Personal opinion here, but: a lot of women have friends that are bros; a lot fewer geeks have friends that are bros. I think women that are geeks also have fewer 'bro' friends. Geek is a property of men and women, it is not a mutually-exclusive group. Nice try, trying to implicate me in sexism but I do not like it when people try to read things into what I say that I've never implied. I intended one thing, stop trying to use it against me... What I am saying is that I think a group of non-genderised geeks define the label 'bro' by its negative connotations more so than the greater super set of non-geeks (even those which are of the female gender.) It's a case of a new set of people 'bros' joining another set of people 'geeks'; it's exactly the same group behaviour as you see when people from different cultures immigrate into a country; same us-vs-them group behaviour; same magnification and amplification of negative connotations. A bro is just a stereotype. People are people and you should get to know them first before rejecting them (and especially if there are negative behaviours that you want to treat.)
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
    If people are often reading sexist intent into your words maybe you ought to consider the possibility that the things you are writing are, in fact, sexist. Or be more careful.
    - lhnz 13y ago
      It rarely happens. And in this case I think it was blatant and aggressive straw-manning. I simply have no patience for people being exclusionary that accuse me of being exclusionary.
    - dreamfactory2 13y ago
      On the other hand, it may say much more about the person doing the misinterpreting.
wildgift 13y ago
Yes. Geek culture isn't about being a bro. When I think about "bros" I think about guys who party, and then let someone else do the work. It's about power disguised as being carefree. Geek culture is about a kind of unification of mind and action. It's also about creativity within traditions.

001sky 13y ago

Exactly...this is merley trend_bastardization...not original thinking. ...but hey #1 on HN... Let's call it a "growth hack", bro ;D

pstack 13y ago

I can't tell if people here are being intentionally thick or not. "Is bro supposed to be sexist or is it meant to be ironic?" "Man referred to manual, not men!" I can't even imagine many of you people watching a stand-up comic. Your heads must verge on exploding. The diagram for the pun/humor here would be about as simple as a diagram could be.

neumann 13y ago
Well, bad comedy is still bad. Much like the naming of this idea. The term is already reserved for a subgroup that celebrates itself for being exclusionary, crass and insistently unreflective about its privilege in society.
- pstack 13y ago
  It has been a casual term of friendship and acknowledgement between guys for even longer than it has been a douche-bag-frat-boy-sleazy-programmer reference, however. There's not really any need to associate every occurrence of the word "bro" with that, unless it is clearly intended to do so (which, maybe this is, I wouldn't know). I just know that getting irate over this, at the moment, is like losing your crap over someone including a "manifest" file with their software. People gotta calm down and not be so jumpy. There's enough intentionally offensive and exclusionary stuff going on in our world without assuming everything else is, too. Not to say I disagree with you about the way it is often used, though. Nothing more grating than playing a game and hearing a bunch of teenagers say "bro" and "brah" thirty-seven times per minute.
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    > It has been a casual term of friendship and acknowledgement between guys for even longer than it has been a douche-bag-frat-boy-sleazy-programmer reference, however. In my entire life, I have only heard "bro" come from the mouths of bullying douche-bag frat-boy sleazes, usually while telling me the assault they just committed against me was "just a joke". It has never come from anyone I would willingly subject myself to.