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I'm pretty sure everyone younger than 30 is well aware that such things aren't acceptable. In case you haven't noticed almost all cases are by people in their 5

I'm pretty sure everyone younger than 30 is well aware that such things aren't acceptable. In case you haven't noticed almost all cases are by people in their 50s or older who grew up in a different period and have different norms for social interaction. At least that is certainly the case where I grew up. You keep your hands to yourself (and typically leave it to women to initiate things since doing otherwise will often result in issues).

acdha 13y ago
> I'm pretty sure everyone younger than 30 is well aware that such things aren't acceptable This is a severely optimistic take. There is a generational aspect but the main problem is lack of respect and empathy and those follow no generational boundary.
- Crito 13y ago
  I would identify lack of respect and empathy as the primary source of the problem, rather than lack of education. The issue is less "some people under 30 do not know that treating others that way is not acceptable" and more "some people under 30 _do not care_ that treating others that way is not acceptable" I mean, technically I suppose the empathy and respect may be something that you can teach, and if those are lacking then education aimed at raising empathy and respect needs improvement. However I think we are dealing with an issue that will be more difficult to resolve than just adding this material to high-school curriculum. Teaching empathy and respect is much trickier. (And with some people, it may be flat out biologically impossible (though google seems to be suggesting to me that researchers believe that psychopaths can choose whether or not they feel empathy, which is better than I suspected.))
  - acdha 13y ago
    I think we need cultural changes: teaching that is hard enough but almost impossible when some people provide an excuse shield anytime someone is called out on boorish behavior. This can't be an only in school kind of message - you have to see it actually practiced on a broad scale.
DanBC 13y ago
I really hope it is true that it's just a generational thing. http://www.newstatesman.com/glosswitch/2013/09/there-no-great-stigma-attached-being-rapist http://www.newstatesman.com/glosswitch/2013/09/there-no-grea... This article says that research shows young people having weird attitudes about rape. Maybe there are problems with the research; maybe the results would be very different if people were asked about the situation in the article. But to just say "this is a problem with older people" feels sub-optimal.

acdha 13y ago

> I'm pretty sure everyone younger than 30 is well aware that such things aren't acceptable This is a severely optimistic take. There is a generational aspect but the main problem is lack of respect and empathy and those follow no generational boundary.

Crito 13y ago
I would identify lack of respect and empathy as the primary source of the problem, rather than lack of education. The issue is less "some people under 30 do not know that treating others that way is not acceptable" and more "some people under 30 _do not care_ that treating others that way is not acceptable" I mean, technically I suppose the empathy and respect may be something that you can teach, and if those are lacking then education aimed at raising empathy and respect needs improvement. However I think we are dealing with an issue that will be more difficult to resolve than just adding this material to high-school curriculum. Teaching empathy and respect is much trickier. (And with some people, it may be flat out biologically impossible (though google seems to be suggesting to me that researchers believe that psychopaths can choose whether or not they feel empathy, which is better than I suspected.))
- acdha 13y ago
  I think we need cultural changes: teaching that is hard enough but almost impossible when some people provide an excuse shield anytime someone is called out on boorish behavior. This can't be an only in school kind of message - you have to see it actually practiced on a broad scale.

DanBC 13y ago

I really hope it is true that it's just a generational thing. http://www.newstatesman.com/glosswitch/2013/09/there-no-great-stigma-attached-being-rapist http://www.newstatesman.com/glosswitch/2013/09/there-no-grea... This article says that research shows young people having weird attitudes about rape. Maybe there are problems with the research; maybe the results would be very different if people were asked about the situation in the article. But to just say "this is a problem with older people" feels sub-optimal.