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dallagi: your comments are marked as dead. Judging from your comments there's no real reason for it, so I think a bot did it because you commented on a troll su

by tinco 13y ago

dallagi: your comments are marked as dead. Judging from your comments there's no real reason for it, so I think a bot did it because you commented on a troll submission. for the rest of HN: Isn't one of Dockers killer features the layered file system? Using rsync for making new jails seems like it's going to be real slow for reprovisioning. What kind of things to people use FreeBSD for? I wonder if they're really rooting for a docker coming to their environment.

tachion 13y ago
Years ago I've been using Jails with nullfs mounted filesystems to avoid copying data for multiple containers. Nowdays you've ZFS, powerful snapshot system with copy-on-write, clones, remote snapshot streaming and many others. Killer feature. And what is FreeBSD being used for? Oh boy, where to start...
lelf 13y ago
> Isn't one of Dockers killer features the layered file system? Use can mount anything you like to any mount point in jails. (Even without ZFS, with ZFS it's a different story.) I don't know about this CBSD, but ejail and qjail (similar tools) do that for you — they mount some “base” system in jail. Then you mount what you want, pkg install what want etc > I wonder if they're really rooting for a docker coming to their environment. WHAT? No, it's with docker GNU/Linux is finally going to have something like jails, which FreeBSD have has for decades.
- Aqueous 13y ago
  LXC is to Jail as Docker is to CBSD
  - shykes 13y ago
    > LXC is to Jail as Docker is to CBSD Yes, exactly.
nzp 13y ago
> What kind of things to people use FreeBSD for? HN for start. And then there's (off the top of my head) Netflix, NetApp, Juniper, Sony, countless ISPs, DuckDuckGo...
- dotemacs 13y ago
  It seems that HN have switched to a different OS, but used be on FreeBSD: (scroll to "Hosting History") http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%2F http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=https%3A%2F%2Fne...
  - nzp 13y ago
    Linux in there is probably just because of CloudFlare. I had no idea what was HN running on until that outage a week or so ago with the switching of servers etc. A Tell HN[1] about the incident says they were using UFS and now switched to ZFS, and that can only mean FreeBSD. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7069013 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7069013
    - res0nat0r 13y ago
      This might be it: https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/software https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/software
rsync 13y ago
rsync.net is run entirely on FreeBSD. Further, it may interest you to know that we (JohnCompanies) used FreeBSD and jail to provide the first VPS services[1], back in fall of 2001. The VPS as we know it (which appears to be dying in the world of EC2-style instances) came into existence as a direct result of jail. [1] Yes, Verio did have that bizarro VPS-like service that cost an arm and a leg a year or so earlier, but the VPS as you think of it was first provided (AFAIK) by JohnCompanies in 2001.
jlgaddis 13y ago
> What kind of things to people use FreeBSD for? ISPs have been big users of FreeBSD. While HN is a lot of startups going on about agile, continuous integration, Jenkins, etc., those of us in enterprise and ISP environments like stability and little change. When deploying a new mail system for 100k users, for example, I want to set it up, get it working perfectly, and then not have to touch it (exception: security updates, of course) for the next few years. FreeBSD is rock solid and lets you do just that. FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE was announced in November 2009, if memory serves, and I still have DNS servers running 8.x that I rarely have to touch (and won't have to until June 30, 2015). It Just Works(TM).

by tinco 13y ago

tachion 13y ago

Years ago I've been using Jails with nullfs mounted filesystems to avoid copying data for multiple containers. Nowdays you've ZFS, powerful snapshot system with copy-on-write, clones, remote snapshot streaming and many others. Killer feature. And what is FreeBSD being used for? Oh boy, where to start...

lelf 13y ago

> Isn't one of Dockers killer features the layered file system? Use can mount anything you like to any mount point in jails. (Even without ZFS, with ZFS it's a different story.) I don't know about this CBSD, but ejail and qjail (similar tools) do that for you — they mount some “base” system in jail. Then you mount what you want, pkg install what want etc > I wonder if they're really rooting for a docker coming to their environment. WHAT? No, it's with docker GNU/Linux is finally going to have something like jails, which FreeBSD have has for decades.

Aqueous 13y ago
LXC is to Jail as Docker is to CBSD
- shykes 13y ago
  > LXC is to Jail as Docker is to CBSD Yes, exactly.

nzp 13y ago

> What kind of things to people use FreeBSD for? HN for start. And then there's (off the top of my head) Netflix, NetApp, Juniper, Sony, countless ISPs, DuckDuckGo...

dotemacs 13y ago
It seems that HN have switched to a different OS, but used be on FreeBSD: (scroll to "Hosting History") http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%2F http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=https%3A%2F%2Fne...
- nzp 13y ago
  Linux in there is probably just because of CloudFlare. I had no idea what was HN running on until that outage a week or so ago with the switching of servers etc. A Tell HN[1] about the incident says they were using UFS and now switched to ZFS, and that can only mean FreeBSD. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7069013 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7069013
  - res0nat0r 13y ago
    This might be it: https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/software https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/software

rsync 13y ago

rsync.net is run entirely on FreeBSD. Further, it may interest you to know that we (JohnCompanies) used FreeBSD and jail to provide the first VPS services[1], back in fall of 2001. The VPS as we know it (which appears to be dying in the world of EC2-style instances) came into existence as a direct result of jail. [1] Yes, Verio did have that bizarro VPS-like service that cost an arm and a leg a year or so earlier, but the VPS as you think of it was first provided (AFAIK) by JohnCompanies in 2001.

jlgaddis 13y ago

> What kind of things to people use FreeBSD for? ISPs have been big users of FreeBSD. While HN is a lot of startups going on about agile, continuous integration, Jenkins, etc., those of us in enterprise and ISP environments like stability and little change. When deploying a new mail system for 100k users, for example, I want to set it up, get it working perfectly, and then not have to touch it (exception: security updates, of course) for the next few years. FreeBSD is rock solid and lets you do just that. FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE was announced in November 2009, if memory serves, and I still have DNS servers running 8.x that I rarely have to touch (and won't have to until June 30, 2015). It Just Works(TM).