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Ah, then I should have made the distinction between "publishers" and "copyright owners", please do a mental: s/publishers/copyright owners/g Publishers ha

by andreyf 17y ago

Ah, then I should have made the distinction between "publishers" and "copyright owners", please do a mental: s/publishers/copyright owners/g Publishers have nothing to do with negotiating copyrights with Amazon, unless they are also the copyright owners, and copyright owners don't give a shit how their books are consumed, as long as they keep getting paid.

tdonia 17y ago
that doesn't change the original replies basic point: without consumers, neither the copyright holder nor the publisher nor amazon makes any money. and pretty much everyone on the planet that's not a publisher/copyright owner/bookseller really doesn't care in the slightest about the perspectives of their business. sorry, but we never will. when you're selling something as abstract as a story you should consider yourself lucky that ANYONE is willing to devote any portion of their non-survival budget to such trivialities. While it's become common lately for people to be able to do so, this is a very new (less than 2 centuries) old phenomenon that's still quite fragile. And as the music industry has so effectively proven - if you push consumers hard enough they're not going to give up on their content, rather, they'll route around the choke point and take over distribution (and by extension content production) through less centralized means. this, in my mind, is a much greater risk facing the publishing/copyright holder industries than simple ebook platforms.
- andreyf 17y ago
  without consumers, neither the copyright holder nor the publisher nor amazon makes any money And that doesn't change my point: most customers don't care. If customers cared, DRM would be a business risk, and acted on accordingly. But they don't, and so it's not. I wish customers cared. I really do. I wish they cared about their shoes being made by little slave children and civilian Iraqi deaths, too. But they don't. Now, we can make ourselves feel better by sitting here and bitching about it, or we can understand the world and try to make it better in whatever little way we can.

by andreyf 17y ago

tdonia 17y ago

that doesn't change the original replies basic point: without consumers, neither the copyright holder nor the publisher nor amazon makes any money. and pretty much everyone on the planet that's not a publisher/copyright owner/bookseller really doesn't care in the slightest about the perspectives of their business. sorry, but we never will. when you're selling something as abstract as a story you should consider yourself lucky that ANYONE is willing to devote any portion of their non-survival budget to such trivialities. While it's become common lately for people to be able to do so, this is a very new (less than 2 centuries) old phenomenon that's still quite fragile. And as the music industry has so effectively proven - if you push consumers hard enough they're not going to give up on their content, rather, they'll route around the choke point and take over distribution (and by extension content production) through less centralized means. this, in my mind, is a much greater risk facing the publishing/copyright holder industries than simple ebook platforms.

andreyf 17y ago
without consumers, neither the copyright holder nor the publisher nor amazon makes any money And that doesn't change my point: most customers don't care. If customers cared, DRM would be a business risk, and acted on accordingly. But they don't, and so it's not. I wish customers cared. I really do. I wish they cared about their shoes being made by little slave children and civilian Iraqi deaths, too. But they don't. Now, we can make ourselves feel better by sitting here and bitching about it, or we can understand the world and try to make it better in whatever little way we can.