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As a long time emacs user (and lover) I wish RMS and other emacs developers would take his quote to heart more in emacs development. Emacs is shipped with too m

As a long time emacs user (and lover) I wish RMS and other emacs developers would take his quote to heart more in emacs development. Emacs is shipped with too many things. Emacs finally has a really nice package manager, so I'd love to see a version with minimal default packages. Do I really need java-mode if I never, ever will use Java? Calc when I have R? SMTP support? No, I need absolutely none of this.

bza 13y ago
The current policy (as enunciated by Stefan Monnier, who took over as maintainer from RMS a few years ago) is for new packages to be added to the package archive unless there's a very strong argument for their providing core functionality. (Packages that already ship with Emacs are unlikely to be removed from the core, though.)
- technomancy 13y ago
  I've heard it's actually being considered to move org-mode and eshell into packages, provided the release process can be ammended to generate releases which include packages by default.
klibertp 13y ago
Obligatory link: http://nullprogram.com/blog/2009/06/23/ http://nullprogram.com/blog/2009/06/23/ I don't get why this is a problem - almost everything that comes with default Emacs installation is not loaded by default and so you don't even need to know it's there. Or you can just remove these modes altogether from your installation, no problem. On the other hand, if something made it to the Emacs core, it's probably more stable and easier integrated with other plugins. There are many plugins in the wild which do a great job by themselves, but fail miserably in the presence of other plugins enabled, and such plugins are not in Emacs (or I didn't see them yet).
fafner 13y ago
So why does it bother you that there are modes which you don't use? They aren't loaded as default anyway.

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As a long time emacs user (and lover) I wish RMS and other emacs developers would take his quote to heart more in emacs development. Emacs is shipped with too m

by vsbuffalo 13y ago

bza 13y ago
The current policy (as enunciated by Stefan Monnier, who took over as maintainer from RMS a few years ago) is for new packages to be added to the package archive unless there's a very strong argument for their providing core functionality. (Packages that already ship with Emacs are unlikely to be removed from the core, though.)
- technomancy 13y ago
  I've heard it's actually being considered to move org-mode and eshell into packages, provided the release process can be ammended to generate releases which include packages by default.
klibertp 13y ago
Obligatory link: http://nullprogram.com/blog/2009/06/23/ http://nullprogram.com/blog/2009/06/23/ I don't get why this is a problem - almost everything that comes with default Emacs installation is not loaded by default and so you don't even need to know it's there. Or you can just remove these modes altogether from your installation, no problem. On the other hand, if something made it to the Emacs core, it's probably more stable and easier integrated with other plugins. There are many plugins in the wild which do a great job by themselves, but fail miserably in the presence of other plugins enabled, and such plugins are not in Emacs (or I didn't see them yet).
fafner 13y ago
So why does it bother you that there are modes which you don't use? They aren't loaded as default anyway.