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Just one more data point in a long list showing iOS users are the most engaged. Developers still have no reason to stop being iOS-first.

by IBM 13y ago

TwoBit 13y ago
You're assuming that Internet usage equates to app usage. I use the Internet a lot on my phone but hardly run apps. In fact my usage of the Internet surely eats into time I might spend running apps.
- eli 13y ago
  My business news sites get 3 to 5 times as many visits from iOS versus Android.
  - lstamour 13y ago
    Given there's 3x the types of devices in iOS land (phone, iPod and tablet) vs most people using Android phones, the difference isn't that huge. I do find, though, that I tend to browse more on Android because I need to get something done or check up on something. On iPad, sometimes I just tap around for the heck of it. :)
    - eli 13y ago
      Nope. iPhone traffic alone still crushes all Android devices combined. And there are certainly many more Android devices in the US.
- coldtea 13y ago
  No, he just assumes internet usage equates to more phone usage. The proportion of apps and internet can be whatever, but more phone usage also means more app usage.
chrisrhoden 13y ago
The post that you are commenting on does not support this viewpoint. Indeed, significantly more data was uploaded on Android devices vs iOS devices in this study. This is waved off as the result of the camera on the s4, but the s4 is not the biggest uploader in developed markets, the HTC Sensation (a non-lte-capable device) is. You are very likely correct that iOS users touch their phones more than Android users, and your conclusion may also be right, but this is not really the place. The point of the article is to compare current devices to the iPhone 3G, not iOS devices to Android devices. Further, the comparison is likely only valid between devices running the same version of the same OS - we could say that this only proves that there is a bug in iOS that is destroying data plans if that supported the narrative.
Fasebook 13y ago
Nobody is engaged with their phone. Their engaged with their SO, and use their phone to reach them. There are no engaging apps on the iOS at all. Name one "killer app" for iPhone, and it would probably be Google Maps, which is of course available on most devices already. (It's been on PalmOS almost a decade ago.) Wow, but it's on iPhone and somehow that's a technological achievement? So what if people can pull data through their phones now at a rate that is comparable to actual daily usage. That is not an achievement, that's just another spin around the sink drain. Putting another layer of abstraction and metadata around it just allows you to control the water's path down the drain. This is fine, because it's just supposed to be a phone, not a iPod, a phone, and an "Internet communications device" all in one. Nobody who does serious anything does anything serious on the iPhone other than talk or reply to emails like "ok I read this", (or just use it as a social signal). I feel like all this talk is just a bunch of old money circling the drain of greed that Apple pulled the plug of. People think somehow that if they put the data in the cloud, they'll stop piracy, stop theft and stop deflationary pressures of all the air finally being deflated out the 10,000 year old bullshit-idea economy. The reality, the price of ideas is finally reaching the equilibrium price, nothing, and everyone just keeps fooling themselves that somehow this is for the best, and not the same thing that happened with Microsoft on desktops or at IBM so long ago. Someone's idea that we all are stuck in, but it's just one idea, can we please stop trying it and maybe go for something new, something that actually approves on the printing press instead of emulating it?
- ryanhuff 13y ago
  Nobody is engaged with their phone. Their engaged with their SO, and use their phone to reach them. There are no engaging apps on the iOS at all. My son, and millions of others, who continue to feed the coffers of such companies as Supercell, Rovio, etc, demonstrate to me that something is very engaging with their iOS device and apps.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >Nobody is engaged with their phone. Their engaged with their SO, and use their phone to reach them. Actually a current problem is that people are TOO engaged with their phones, including in social situations where they should be paying attention to their company. >There are no engaging apps on the iOS at all. Name one "killer app" for iPhone, and it would probably be Google Maps That's an interesting, if kooky idea, but totally on the outlier side (if you're from an older demographic it might be understandable). iPhone (and Android) users have apps they find very enganging apps that they spends hours on end with them. From games like Angry Birds to Instagram, including various clients for stuff like Twitter, apps like Omni's GTD stuff, Paper, and lots more besides. And if you ask (hobby) musicians and graphic designers around (which are in the million), you'll find they spends tons of time with stuff like music apps and paint apps. >Nobody who does serious anything does anything serious on the iPhone other than talk or reply to emails like "ok I read this", (or just use it as a social signal). You'd be surprised.

Just one more data point in a long list showing iOS users are the most engaged. Developers still have no reason to stop being iOS-first.

by IBM 13y ago

Just one more data point in a long list showing iOS users are the most engaged. Developers still have no reason to stop being iOS-first.

TwoBit 13y ago

You're assuming that Internet usage equates to app usage. I use the Internet a lot on my phone but hardly run apps. In fact my usage of the Internet surely eats into time I might spend running apps.

eli 13y ago
My business news sites get 3 to 5 times as many visits from iOS versus Android.
- lstamour 13y ago
  Given there's 3x the types of devices in iOS land (phone, iPod and tablet) vs most people using Android phones, the difference isn't that huge. I do find, though, that I tend to browse more on Android because I need to get something done or check up on something. On iPad, sometimes I just tap around for the heck of it. :)
  - eli 13y ago
    Nope. iPhone traffic alone still crushes all Android devices combined. And there are certainly many more Android devices in the US.
coldtea 13y ago
No, he just assumes internet usage equates to more phone usage. The proportion of apps and internet can be whatever, but more phone usage also means more app usage.

chrisrhoden 13y ago

The post that you are commenting on does not support this viewpoint. Indeed, significantly more data was uploaded on Android devices vs iOS devices in this study. This is waved off as the result of the camera on the s4, but the s4 is not the biggest uploader in developed markets, the HTC Sensation (a non-lte-capable device) is. You are very likely correct that iOS users touch their phones more than Android users, and your conclusion may also be right, but this is not really the place. The point of the article is to compare current devices to the iPhone 3G, not iOS devices to Android devices. Further, the comparison is likely only valid between devices running the same version of the same OS - we could say that this only proves that there is a bug in iOS that is destroying data plans if that supported the narrative.

Fasebook 13y ago

Nobody is engaged with their phone. Their engaged with their SO, and use their phone to reach them. There are no engaging apps on the iOS at all. Name one "killer app" for iPhone, and it would probably be Google Maps, which is of course available on most devices already. (It's been on PalmOS almost a decade ago.) Wow, but it's on iPhone and somehow that's a technological achievement? So what if people can pull data through their phones now at a rate that is comparable to actual daily usage. That is not an achievement, that's just another spin around the sink drain. Putting another layer of abstraction and metadata around it just allows you to control the water's path down the drain. This is fine, because it's just supposed to be a phone, not a iPod, a phone, and an "Internet communications device" all in one. Nobody who does serious anything does anything serious on the iPhone other than talk or reply to emails like "ok I read this", (or just use it as a social signal). I feel like all this talk is just a bunch of old money circling the drain of greed that Apple pulled the plug of. People think somehow that if they put the data in the cloud, they'll stop piracy, stop theft and stop deflationary pressures of all the air finally being deflated out the 10,000 year old bullshit-idea economy. The reality, the price of ideas is finally reaching the equilibrium price, nothing, and everyone just keeps fooling themselves that somehow this is for the best, and not the same thing that happened with Microsoft on desktops or at IBM so long ago. Someone's idea that we all are stuck in, but it's just one idea, can we please stop trying it and maybe go for something new, something that actually approves on the printing press instead of emulating it?

ryanhuff 13y ago
Nobody is engaged with their phone. Their engaged with their SO, and use their phone to reach them. There are no engaging apps on the iOS at all. My son, and millions of others, who continue to feed the coffers of such companies as Supercell, Rovio, etc, demonstrate to me that something is very engaging with their iOS device and apps.
coldtea 13y ago
>Nobody is engaged with their phone. Their engaged with their SO, and use their phone to reach them. Actually a current problem is that people are TOO engaged with their phones, including in social situations where they should be paying attention to their company. >There are no engaging apps on the iOS at all. Name one "killer app" for iPhone, and it would probably be Google Maps That's an interesting, if kooky idea, but totally on the outlier side (if you're from an older demographic it might be understandable). iPhone (and Android) users have apps they find very enganging apps that they spends hours on end with them. From games like Angry Birds to Instagram, including various clients for stuff like Twitter, apps like Omni's GTD stuff, Paper, and lots more besides. And if you ask (hobby) musicians and graphic designers around (which are in the million), you'll find they spends tons of time with stuff like music apps and paint apps. >Nobody who does serious anything does anything serious on the iPhone other than talk or reply to emails like "ok I read this", (or just use it as a social signal). You'd be surprised.