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i dont quite understand a lot of this alarmism over google.

bootload 19y ago
"... i dont quite understand a lot of this alarmism over google. ..." Because you can join the dots. From HackerNews ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=70454 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=70454 ) to Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5381210911 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5381210911 ) to google ( http://www.google.com/search?q=joe+guilmette+Santa+Cruz,+CA http://www.google.com/search?q=joe+guilmette+Santa+Cruz,+CA ). It's not so much the fact it's google it could be spock or facebook. Public companies that keep everything you pump into it via the Internet can be considered harmful. Listen to this talk by the Eben Moglen talk, "Freedom Businesses Protect Privacy" [0] to understand the implications. [0] ITConversations, "Eben Moglen, 'Freedom Businesses Protect Privacy', mp3, 18Mb, 40min" ~ http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail1897.html http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail1897.html
- rms 19y ago
  I get the impression that it's a generational thing... overall, people of Generation Y and the younger generation seem less concerned about the personal information abundance on the internet.
  - bootload 19y ago
    "... people of Generation Y and the younger generation seem less concerned about the personal information abundance ..." Could be. I get the impression that "geny"'s (I'm a "genxr" http://flickr.com/photos/bootload/227128232/ http://flickr.com/photos/bootload/227128232/ ) are sort of adapting to posting personal info and are work out strategies to blunt the side effects. It's personal choice to add a blow by blow description of your youth. There are implications for individuals and groups however. To me its about "Power" of who has "Control" of memory. In historical past this was public. Technology that captures "private memories" of useful information that can be "shared or withheld" and abused. The real danger is inference and prediction from the data that leaks, often voluntary into private/public databases through bailment ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailment
joeguilmette 19y ago
i think you both are kind of missing the point. facebook knows when my friends get together and have a party. it also knows who my friends are, how we met, and where we grew up. so what? i put all of that information up there intentionally. if google wants to collect such information and use it to help me, and maybe put ads in front of me that may even be helpful, then great. i'll give them more information.
- rms 19y ago
  Right. I think modern information abundance is great too but I'm the same age as you. This makes many older people, especially much older people, fundamentally uncomfortable.

"... i dont quite understand a lot of this alarmism over google. ..." Because you can join the dots. From HackerNews ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=70454 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=70454 ) to Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5381210911 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5381210911 ) to google ( http://www.google.com/search?q=joe+guilmette+Santa+Cruz,+CA http://www.google.com/search?q=joe+guilmette+Santa+Cruz,+CA ). It's not so much the fact it's google it could be spock or facebook. Public companies that keep everything you pump into it via the Internet can be considered harmful. Listen to this talk by the Eben Moglen talk, "Freedom Businesses Protect Privacy" [0] to understand the implications. [0] ITConversations, "Eben Moglen, 'Freedom Businesses Protect Privacy', mp3, 18Mb, 40min" ~ http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail1897.html http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail1897.html

rms 19y ago
I get the impression that it's a generational thing... overall, people of Generation Y and the younger generation seem less concerned about the personal information abundance on the internet.
- bootload 19y ago
  "... people of Generation Y and the younger generation seem less concerned about the personal information abundance ..." Could be. I get the impression that "geny"'s (I'm a "genxr" http://flickr.com/photos/bootload/227128232/ http://flickr.com/photos/bootload/227128232/ ) are sort of adapting to posting personal info and are work out strategies to blunt the side effects. It's personal choice to add a blow by blow description of your youth. There are implications for individuals and groups however. To me its about "Power" of who has "Control" of memory. In historical past this was public. Technology that captures "private memories" of useful information that can be "shared or withheld" and abused. The real danger is inference and prediction from the data that leaks, often voluntary into private/public databases through bailment ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailment

joeguilmette 19y ago

i think you both are kind of missing the point. facebook knows when my friends get together and have a party. it also knows who my friends are, how we met, and where we grew up. so what? i put all of that information up there intentionally. if google wants to collect such information and use it to help me, and maybe put ads in front of me that may even be helpful, then great. i'll give them more information.

rms 19y ago
Right. I think modern information abundance is great too but I'm the same age as you. This makes many older people, especially much older people, fundamentally uncomfortable.