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Is this serious or supposed to be satire or something? Cause it reads like something a deranged person would write to me... Making comments about how Google emp

by keidian 13y ago

Is this serious or supposed to be satire or something? Cause it reads like something a deranged person would write to me... Making comments about how Google employees automatically bring police, "All of Google's employees should be prevented from getting to work", etc. Yeah they do bring police.. to deal with nutjobs that decide to randomly show up at their houses and stop them from working, stop a bus in the middle of the street and cause a disruption, etc.

giarc 13y ago
I think these people don't understand the irony of their claims about google employees bringing police to their neighbourhoods.
- aaronem 13y ago
  Of course not. Instead, they blame Google, and its employees, for the police presence which they themselves necessitate.
calibraxis 13y ago
Just read the PDF, and it's an interesting and reasonable perspective on tech. Probably sounds blasphemous to an audience excited about investments/acquisitions of $15M, $30M and $1.54 billion (from HN's current front page), but I think techies are due for a reasonable backlash for their usual servility to power, by people concerned about their society.
- matthewmacleod 13y ago
  With respect, you are wrong. It's neither interesting nor reasonable, and indeed is barely coherent. Gentrification is a real problem, with inequality at it's roots. I think most people would agree with that. And I'd also agree that it's easy for some in the tech community to lose touch with the relative privilege that they often live in. But this is not a "reasonable backlash" – it's a bunch of incoherent knee-jerk harassment by people who should really be doing something better with their time. The proper channel for dealing with housing issues is local government; for NSA issues, national government; in neither is the correct channel the harassment of individual employees of a company which may (or may not be) the cause of those issues.
  - michaelt 13y ago
    A while ago I was talking to an extremely cynical person in line to inherit a british aristocratic title. He told me something his grandfather taught him: People who are protesting against you will almost certainly disagree with you about what an "acceptable backlash" is. Specifically you will prefer ineffective protests and those that that don't inconvenience you, while they will prefer effective protests and those that are spiteful.
  - WettowelReactor 13y ago
    Gentrification is a really complex problem that is superficially bandied about. While it involves changes they are not all negative and the net impact on existing residents is very situation. http://www.npr.org/2014/01/22/264528139/long-a-dirty-word-gentrification-may-be-losing-its-stigma http://www.npr.org/2014/01/22/264528139/long-a-dirty-word-ge...
- msquared 13y ago
  This PDF is so far from reasonable. This is a group of people that seem to be angry about anything and everything tech related - from exploitative production labor all the way through to not paying enough attention to your family. The PDF reads like an anti-technology manifesto and anti-government war cry more than anything else to me.
- diydsp 13y ago
  Your perspective on "usual servility" is underrated. I read the flyer, too. Kind of a PITA to rotate it, but: It's just their perspective, mostly PR-style publicl-available history of projects for that particular developr. It's worthwhile to read, to remind ourselves to be respectful of the larger scene, rather than just the dollar signs. Still, it's hyperbolic in places. I think their view would be more persuasive if they talked about "the kind of world we want to live in" rather than leaping to "evil." It would also be more persuasive if they discussed more ways everyday people can avoid giving power to their "opponents." Mom and Pop are much more likely to starve Google by switching to DuckDuckGo than to "take down surveillance cameras." However, I don't think it's utter crap. Both sides in this issue have some large, philosophical questions to consider.
- brohee 13y ago
  About as reasonable as Kaczynski's Manifesto.
hack_edu 13y ago
Political theatre, for its own sake, is a very effective way of attracting press coverage and staying in the news. Has been a go-to in the radical playbook for nearly a century now.
- Houshalter 13y ago
  Yes but it's not good coverage.

by keidian 13y ago

giarc 13y ago

I think these people don't understand the irony of their claims about google employees bringing police to their neighbourhoods.

aaronem 13y ago
Of course not. Instead, they blame Google, and its employees, for the police presence which they themselves necessitate.

calibraxis 13y ago

Just read the PDF, and it's an interesting and reasonable perspective on tech. Probably sounds blasphemous to an audience excited about investments/acquisitions of $15M, $30M and $1.54 billion (from HN's current front page), but I think techies are due for a reasonable backlash for their usual servility to power, by people concerned about their society.

matthewmacleod 13y ago
With respect, you are wrong. It's neither interesting nor reasonable, and indeed is barely coherent. Gentrification is a real problem, with inequality at it's roots. I think most people would agree with that. And I'd also agree that it's easy for some in the tech community to lose touch with the relative privilege that they often live in. But this is not a "reasonable backlash" – it's a bunch of incoherent knee-jerk harassment by people who should really be doing something better with their time. The proper channel for dealing with housing issues is local government; for NSA issues, national government; in neither is the correct channel the harassment of individual employees of a company which may (or may not be) the cause of those issues.
- michaelt 13y ago
  A while ago I was talking to an extremely cynical person in line to inherit a british aristocratic title. He told me something his grandfather taught him: People who are protesting against you will almost certainly disagree with you about what an "acceptable backlash" is. Specifically you will prefer ineffective protests and those that that don't inconvenience you, while they will prefer effective protests and those that are spiteful.
- WettowelReactor 13y ago
  Gentrification is a really complex problem that is superficially bandied about. While it involves changes they are not all negative and the net impact on existing residents is very situation. http://www.npr.org/2014/01/22/264528139/long-a-dirty-word-gentrification-may-be-losing-its-stigma http://www.npr.org/2014/01/22/264528139/long-a-dirty-word-ge...
msquared 13y ago
This PDF is so far from reasonable. This is a group of people that seem to be angry about anything and everything tech related - from exploitative production labor all the way through to not paying enough attention to your family. The PDF reads like an anti-technology manifesto and anti-government war cry more than anything else to me.
diydsp 13y ago
Your perspective on "usual servility" is underrated. I read the flyer, too. Kind of a PITA to rotate it, but: It's just their perspective, mostly PR-style publicl-available history of projects for that particular developr. It's worthwhile to read, to remind ourselves to be respectful of the larger scene, rather than just the dollar signs. Still, it's hyperbolic in places. I think their view would be more persuasive if they talked about "the kind of world we want to live in" rather than leaping to "evil." It would also be more persuasive if they discussed more ways everyday people can avoid giving power to their "opponents." Mom and Pop are much more likely to starve Google by switching to DuckDuckGo than to "take down surveillance cameras." However, I don't think it's utter crap. Both sides in this issue have some large, philosophical questions to consider.
brohee 13y ago
About as reasonable as Kaczynski's Manifesto.

hack_edu 13y ago

Political theatre, for its own sake, is a very effective way of attracting press coverage and staying in the news. Has been a go-to in the radical playbook for nearly a century now.

Houshalter 13y ago
Yes but it's not good coverage.