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I would guess that if they had another way to access your iCloud calendar from their servers they would. Apple unfortunately has everything linked to a single a

by pat2man 13y ago

I would guess that if they had another way to access your iCloud calendar from their servers they would. Apple unfortunately has everything linked to a single account without any sort of Oauth. This is more an issue with iCloud than it is with iTunes or the App Store.

0x0 13y ago
It's pretty crazy that you need to use the same credentials to "buy" a $0 app as you have to remotely lock and wipe your iphone and mac.
- runjake 13y ago
  You don't need to at all. I use two separate Apple IDs on my iOS devices. Apple ID accounts are individually configurable for most, if not all iCloud/App Store services.
  - jmathai 13y ago
    If no one uses a feature the feature might as well not exist.
    - yardie 13y ago
      Who doesn't use this feature? Single people, that's who. People with families have known about this feature for years. The sales staff at the Apple Stores specifically bring it up.
      - EpicEng 13y ago
        Yeah, I suppose single people have no interest in security, so poorly devised workarounds are ok.
      - ay 13y ago
        People may have 1+ device per person and not share them.
    - prof_hobart 13y ago
      As plenty of people do use that feature, I'm not sure of your point.
  - bertil 13y ago
    I’m glad that you are able to understand that abstraction, but if I'm being honest, how Apple handles accounts gets way over my head — and anyone around me is baffled by it too.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    To quote JWZ: "You have invoked the "Oh, but there's a preference to turn off that stupid behavior" defense. I am showering you with negativity." (Yes, it's not a preference pedantically, it's an option to create multiple accounts. Still the default and most used is using one account).
    - EpicEng 13y ago
      I'm an engineer an I didn't know you could use two accounts for different tasks on the same device. Just never thought about it, because why would I? Not a reasonable workaround, I agree.
      - nknighthb 13y ago
        > Just never thought about it, because why would I? Anyone with family members using their iTunes account would and has for many years. That's why it's there.
        stefan_kendall 13y ago
        Everyone I know with family members tries to share a single login across all devices to share purchases.
        EpicEng 13y ago
        It's there so that you can create a junk account for apps which want access to your credentials? Doubtful. Remember the context of the topic.
        nknighthb 13y ago
        This thread started with: "It's pretty crazy that you need to use the same credentials to "buy" a $0 app as you have to remotely lock and wipe your iphone and mac." I'm having no trouble remembering the context. Why are you?
      - vvhn 13y ago
        if you set up an iOS device, it specifically asks you if you want have a single Apple ID or 2 ids ( one for iTunes/App Store and another one for iCloud/FaceTime/iMessage).
  - acqq 13y ago
    I thought I had to have a new device to make a new ID? How do you do it actually?
    - aaronem 13y ago
      In iOS 7, you do it under Settings/iTunes & App Store; tap "Apple ID: [whatever]" and choose "Sign out", and once signed out you'll be presented with options both to sign in under an existing Apple ID, and to create a new one. (I didn't actually do so, so there could possibly be a hoop or two to jump through which I didn't see, but I tend to doubt that.)
  - kevinpet 13y ago
    I cannot even find any guidance from Apple on recommended patterns for which Apple IDs should be shared, which should be individual, and so on. This isn't even a configuration option, it's a hack that happens to work. (And there's no guarantee that Apple won't change their model tomorrow, since they've never given any guidance on what those multiple AppleIDs are supposed to mean.)
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4895 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4895
  - smackfu 13y ago
    You can even use multiple accounts on a single iOS device to purchase stuff. So you can "share" apps with someone by logging in as yourself and then downlading the app.
  - jljljl 13y ago
    If I've been using 1 Apple ID on my devices for the past ~4 years, how do I create two separate accounts without losing data or access to media? Serious Question.
    - qaz_plm 13y ago
      http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4895 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4895
      - 0x0 13y ago
        That doesn't really seem to transfer existing app purchases between accounts (so updates continue to work etc). It also doesn't mention moving documents&settings&calendars from one icloud to another?
girvo 13y ago
iClouds PIM stuff uses DAV for syncing. In theory they could issue separate credentials to handle PIM syncing, and keep it all transparent to the user: have an API that devs can use to request a token, or something, from Apple to access DAV, when a request is authenticated through an OS native dialog (only going through apples servers and your device) -- keeping actual iCloud credentials away from the app itself.

by pat2man 13y ago

0x0 13y ago

It's pretty crazy that you need to use the same credentials to "buy" a $0 app as you have to remotely lock and wipe your iphone and mac.

runjake 13y ago
You don't need to at all. I use two separate Apple IDs on my iOS devices. Apple ID accounts are individually configurable for most, if not all iCloud/App Store services.
- jmathai 13y ago
  If no one uses a feature the feature might as well not exist.
  - yardie 13y ago
    Who doesn't use this feature? Single people, that's who. People with families have known about this feature for years. The sales staff at the Apple Stores specifically bring it up.
    - EpicEng 13y ago
      Yeah, I suppose single people have no interest in security, so poorly devised workarounds are ok.
    - ay 13y ago
      People may have 1+ device per person and not share them.
  - prof_hobart 13y ago
    As plenty of people do use that feature, I'm not sure of your point.
- bertil 13y ago
  I’m glad that you are able to understand that abstraction, but if I'm being honest, how Apple handles accounts gets way over my head — and anyone around me is baffled by it too.
- coldtea 13y ago
  To quote JWZ: "You have invoked the "Oh, but there's a preference to turn off that stupid behavior" defense. I am showering you with negativity." (Yes, it's not a preference pedantically, it's an option to create multiple accounts. Still the default and most used is using one account).
  - EpicEng 13y ago
    I'm an engineer an I didn't know you could use two accounts for different tasks on the same device. Just never thought about it, because why would I? Not a reasonable workaround, I agree.
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      > Just never thought about it, because why would I? Anyone with family members using their iTunes account would and has for many years. That's why it's there.
      - stefan_kendall 13y ago
        Everyone I know with family members tries to share a single login across all devices to share purchases.
      - EpicEng 13y ago
        It's there so that you can create a junk account for apps which want access to your credentials? Doubtful. Remember the context of the topic.
        nknighthb 13y ago
        This thread started with: "It's pretty crazy that you need to use the same credentials to "buy" a $0 app as you have to remotely lock and wipe your iphone and mac." I'm having no trouble remembering the context. Why are you?
    - vvhn 13y ago
      if you set up an iOS device, it specifically asks you if you want have a single Apple ID or 2 ids ( one for iTunes/App Store and another one for iCloud/FaceTime/iMessage).
- acqq 13y ago
  I thought I had to have a new device to make a new ID? How do you do it actually?
  - aaronem 13y ago
    In iOS 7, you do it under Settings/iTunes & App Store; tap "Apple ID: [whatever]" and choose "Sign out", and once signed out you'll be presented with options both to sign in under an existing Apple ID, and to create a new one. (I didn't actually do so, so there could possibly be a hoop or two to jump through which I didn't see, but I tend to doubt that.)
- kevinpet 13y ago
  I cannot even find any guidance from Apple on recommended patterns for which Apple IDs should be shared, which should be individual, and so on. This isn't even a configuration option, it's a hack that happens to work. (And there's no guarantee that Apple won't change their model tomorrow, since they've never given any guidance on what those multiple AppleIDs are supposed to mean.)
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4895 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4895
- smackfu 13y ago
  You can even use multiple accounts on a single iOS device to purchase stuff. So you can "share" apps with someone by logging in as yourself and then downlading the app.
- jljljl 13y ago
  If I've been using 1 Apple ID on my devices for the past ~4 years, how do I create two separate accounts without losing data or access to media? Serious Question.
  - qaz_plm 13y ago
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4895 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4895
    - 0x0 13y ago
      That doesn't really seem to transfer existing app purchases between accounts (so updates continue to work etc). It also doesn't mention moving documents&settings&calendars from one icloud to another?

girvo 13y ago

iClouds PIM stuff uses DAV for syncing. In theory they could issue separate credentials to handle PIM syncing, and keep it all transparent to the user: have an API that devs can use to request a token, or something, from Apple to access DAV, when a request is authenticated through an OS native dialog (only going through apples servers and your device) -- keeping actual iCloud credentials away from the app itself.