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Just for the record, we have a similar system in New Zealand, and it works great. 1) In New Zealand there isn't really any incentive to become homeless, becaus

Just for the record, we have a similar system in New Zealand, and it works great. 1) In New Zealand there isn't really any incentive to become homeless, because a case worker takes you through an assessment process. This ensures that houses are only given to people who are truly homeless. Furthermore, I suspect you might underestimate the negative social image associated with living in state housing. If you need it, no-one really looks down on you (our current Prime Minister grew up in state housing), but if you're a young 20-something with a job, state housing is certainly not 'cool'. 2) The housing projects I have witnessed have not turned into centres for crime. It probably helps that these housing projects are really just clusters of 5-20 individual houses on a common plot, in the middle of some suburb. They're not segregated and concentrated. EDIT: rXoX and im_a_lawyer, it looks like you've both been shadowbanned.

crystaln 13y ago
Many many people would rather accept state housing than work. I'm not even opposed to that choice on the whole. What I'm opposed to is rewarding that choice, and a more fair basic income takes care of that.
rayiner 13y ago
> 2) The housing projects I have witnessed have not turned into centres for crime. It probably helps that these housing projects are really just clusters of 5-20 individual houses on a common plot, in the middle of some suburb. They're not segregated and concentrated. This is the biggest problem with American housing projects. They tend to be high density apartments in the cities, with thousands of poor people living together, segregated from everyone else. This is the result of the massive hypocrisy of American suburbanites. The county where my parents live in northern Virginia voted for Obama 60-40, but everyone would flip the fuck out if anyone built public housing in the suburbs near them. To them, public housing means segregating all the poor blacks and hispanics into the inner city so they don't run across them at the local shopping mall.
- brudgers 13y ago
  The US hasn't been pushing high density public housing projects for twenty years. The last major construction initiative for public housing initiative was Hope VI. More recently, programs that funnel public money directly into the private sector have seen greater favor, e.g. Section 8 vouchers and Low-Income Housing Tax Credit projects. Ironically [or cynically depending on your point of view] LIHTC projects in particular saw increased funding in the rush to fund 'shovel ready' projects as housing cratered due to oversupply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOPE_VI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOPE_VI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_%28housing%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_%28housing%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-Income_Housing_Tax_Credit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-Income_Housing_Tax_Credit
sliverstorm 13y ago
if you're a young 20-something with a job, state housing is certainly not 'cool'. I'm pretty sure in the USA, state housing would be very cool in the right groups, because you are getting free housing and also "sticking it to the man". Shit, I could totally see a future where only people with state housing are "hip".

crystaln 13y ago

Many many people would rather accept state housing than work. I'm not even opposed to that choice on the whole. What I'm opposed to is rewarding that choice, and a more fair basic income takes care of that.

rayiner 13y ago

> 2) The housing projects I have witnessed have not turned into centres for crime. It probably helps that these housing projects are really just clusters of 5-20 individual houses on a common plot, in the middle of some suburb. They're not segregated and concentrated. This is the biggest problem with American housing projects. They tend to be high density apartments in the cities, with thousands of poor people living together, segregated from everyone else. This is the result of the massive hypocrisy of American suburbanites. The county where my parents live in northern Virginia voted for Obama 60-40, but everyone would flip the fuck out if anyone built public housing in the suburbs near them. To them, public housing means segregating all the poor blacks and hispanics into the inner city so they don't run across them at the local shopping mall.

brudgers 13y ago
The US hasn't been pushing high density public housing projects for twenty years. The last major construction initiative for public housing initiative was Hope VI. More recently, programs that funnel public money directly into the private sector have seen greater favor, e.g. Section 8 vouchers and Low-Income Housing Tax Credit projects. Ironically [or cynically depending on your point of view] LIHTC projects in particular saw increased funding in the rush to fund 'shovel ready' projects as housing cratered due to oversupply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOPE_VI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOPE_VI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_%28housing%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_%28housing%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-Income_Housing_Tax_Credit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-Income_Housing_Tax_Credit

sliverstorm 13y ago

if you're a young 20-something with a job, state housing is certainly not 'cool'. I'm pretty sure in the USA, state housing would be very cool in the right groups, because you are getting free housing and also "sticking it to the man". Shit, I could totally see a future where only people with state housing are "hip".