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jeez what's with all of these MRAs coming out everywhere when somebody tries to do something for women? this shit happens every single time
by Ambrosia 13y ago
jeez what's with all of these MRAs coming out everywhere when somebody tries to do something for women? this shit happens every single time
- detcader 13y agoMen always become very nervous when women try to have their own spaces, talk amongst themselves, organize into groups, etc. It's like reality can't pass the Bechdel Test.
- aaren 13y agoSome men!
- detcader 13y agoMore like "men as a political class." I'm male, and I knew I was inviting this comment. To me saying "some men" is like giving the "good men" a cookie, when really all men should be concerned about these kinds of things, by virtue of being human.
- mcantelon 13y ago>To me saying "some men" is like giving the "good men" a cookie To me, saying "some men" is being precise with language and not falling into generalization. "Men", in common usage, refers to individuals that are male, not a "political class".
- aiiane 13y ago"some" people always seem to jump up to make this pedantic argument when men are generalized about, and yet somehow talking about women as a general group never seems to invoke the same.
- mcantelon 13y agoAh. Criticizing the intentional use of sloppy generalizations is "pedantic" and sloppy generalizations are sometimes used against women so this justifies the use of sloppy generalizations against men. Got it.
- hythloday 13y agoEnglish does not discriminate well between the universal quantification (∀; all men are) and existential quantification (∃; some men are) when quantification is indefinite (men are). It's often unambiguous; saying "men are well-represented in the boardrooms of US companies" would not be taken as implying that a number of men close to 165 million (or 3.5 billion) crammed into American boardrooms. Where it's not, it's far better to assume that the speaker is using the existential qualifier, as universal quantification is usually spelt out as a rhetorical feature ("ALL MEN benefit from the patriarchy" is far stronger than "MEN benefit from the patriarchy").
- mcantelon 13y agoThat's a very good breakdown of usage of the word and I'd forgotten about the indefinite usage. In this particular usage, it included the word "always" ("men always"). If someone states "men always love sports" then I'd interpret that to be equivalent in meaning to "all men love sports".
- theorique 13y agoThe opposite is also true. Women (and some men) tend to be very suspicious of male-only spaces because they think that said men are plotting to reestablish the Patriarchy. Not really, though. Sometimes it's nice to have a safe space where you don't have to police yourself for the opposite sex and risk being misunderstood by them. I don't begrudge women their own space, and I would hope that women, feminist and otherwise, would not begrudge men theirs.
- MartinCron 13y agoI think it's just an underlying insecurity and zero-sum-game thinking, basically "anything intended to help women must also hurt men". A part of me feels pity for them, after all, they're fighting a doomed fight, but it doesn't excuse their behavior.
- asdasf 13y agoWhat's with people wanting to dismiss opinions they don't like with poorly thought out strawmen?