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You're right. Moot needs to start exploiting his strength (heading the most unruly demographic on the internet). His name really does mean something to the use

You're right. Moot needs to start exploiting his strength (heading the most unruly demographic on the internet). His name really does mean something to the users of 4chan, and that's a pretty big demographic. That demographic could make his next project infamous. infamous is still famous.

krisgee 13y ago
eh, I don't know. I remember when he first announced Canvas and most of 4chan simply responded "so what?" moot does mean something to most 4chan users but mostly just because they get to post in a moot thread I'm not sure you can really capitalize on that userbase, at least not in a monetizable way.
- milsorgen 13y ago
  There was some interest in canvas in the community but the heavy handed moderation killed that pretty quick.
- GhotiFish 13y ago
  Canvas was targeted at a separate demographic. I remember reading the introduction screens for canvas and cringing. "Take this image and remix it with your creativity!" (to paraphrase) That line alone could of caused the mass rejection of canvas from the denizens of 4chan. Canvas was not targeted at 4chan's users.
- workbench 13y ago
  Actually the reaction was more like: "Facebook login required? No thanks"
krapp 13y ago
That's his strength, but in terms of monetizing, it could also be a weakness. That demographic isn't really known for its willingness to pay for things, or to be led around by the nose by anyone.
- ANTSANTS 13y ago
  > isn't really known for its willingness .. to be led around by the nose by anyone This part is definitely true. 4chan users will block your advertisements and can smell shilling and astroturfing from a mile away. "Unwilling to pay for things" I'm not sure is 100% accurate. 4chan may be home to pirates, cheapskates, and free software advocates, but it's also home to some of the most dedicated hobbyists, collectors, and consumers in the world. See /g/'s "battlestation" threads (incredibly decked-out computer rooms), the girls of the cosplay board who spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on costumes and obscure fashion, the people who travel to Japan twice a year to buy pornographic comic books at Comiket, and so on. I think there are opportunities to be found here, but you have to be an active member of some board to know what its needs are, and even then it would involve a lot more elbow grease than achieving success among a less savvy userbase might. Just making an app and buying some ads isn't going to get you anywhere. There is precedent here, however, in indie game development, where it's fairly common at this point for new devs to be 4chan users who get most of their early attention and users from threads on /v/ or the amateur game development generals. EDIT: Some random ideas for small businesses or small startups that could be marketed to 4chan effectively: Retro console repair and modding services would be popular on the retro games board. The fan translation scenes for anime, manga, and video games are mostly controlled by 4chan users at this point. Many of these groups could go legit with some funding (see Crunchyroll, which was basically an anime fansubbing group that got the funding to acquire broadcast rights for simulcasted subtitled anime and grew very quickly, or Carpe Fulgur, two goons that translate Japanese indie games). Import services are an obvious choice. Indeed, jlist has been advertising with 4chan almost since its inception, and there's no reason there couldn't be more competition in this space.
- gregpilling 13y ago
  I always find that thought fascinating "demographic X doesn't spend money". It seems to me that most people I have met in my life spend all their money - just on different things. So the 4chan fans probably spend their money on SOMETHING, the question is really how much? and on what? Even if you assume that they are all teenagers with no income, in the US they would be spending thousands of their parents dollars per year on some sort of stuff. Source - I have 4 kids
benologist 13y ago
Is that a strength? It didn't end up meaning much for Rose and Digg which was perhaps even bigger at its peak, or ThePirateBay who unsuccessfully tried to build a legitimate offshoot many times.
- kevando 13y ago
  Not sure I follow. Kevin Rose seems pretty successful with Google Ventures and the piratebay is just a torrent site.
  - benologist 13y ago
    It seems like when you have a fairly quirky and empowered community (including thepiratebay, millions of users & larger ecosystem they spearhead) the users don't readily transfer over to anything at all. Digg lead to Pownce which was poorly received and TPB made a whole network of sites nobody cares about. I think it's because the users lose their communal identity.

krisgee 13y ago

eh, I don't know. I remember when he first announced Canvas and most of 4chan simply responded "so what?" moot does mean something to most 4chan users but mostly just because they get to post in a moot thread I'm not sure you can really capitalize on that userbase, at least not in a monetizable way.

milsorgen 13y ago
There was some interest in canvas in the community but the heavy handed moderation killed that pretty quick.
GhotiFish 13y ago
Canvas was targeted at a separate demographic. I remember reading the introduction screens for canvas and cringing. "Take this image and remix it with your creativity!" (to paraphrase) That line alone could of caused the mass rejection of canvas from the denizens of 4chan. Canvas was not targeted at 4chan's users.
workbench 13y ago
Actually the reaction was more like: "Facebook login required? No thanks"

krapp 13y ago

That's his strength, but in terms of monetizing, it could also be a weakness. That demographic isn't really known for its willingness to pay for things, or to be led around by the nose by anyone.

ANTSANTS 13y ago
> isn't really known for its willingness .. to be led around by the nose by anyone This part is definitely true. 4chan users will block your advertisements and can smell shilling and astroturfing from a mile away. "Unwilling to pay for things" I'm not sure is 100% accurate. 4chan may be home to pirates, cheapskates, and free software advocates, but it's also home to some of the most dedicated hobbyists, collectors, and consumers in the world. See /g/'s "battlestation" threads (incredibly decked-out computer rooms), the girls of the cosplay board who spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on costumes and obscure fashion, the people who travel to Japan twice a year to buy pornographic comic books at Comiket, and so on. I think there are opportunities to be found here, but you have to be an active member of some board to know what its needs are, and even then it would involve a lot more elbow grease than achieving success among a less savvy userbase might. Just making an app and buying some ads isn't going to get you anywhere. There is precedent here, however, in indie game development, where it's fairly common at this point for new devs to be 4chan users who get most of their early attention and users from threads on /v/ or the amateur game development generals. EDIT: Some random ideas for small businesses or small startups that could be marketed to 4chan effectively: Retro console repair and modding services would be popular on the retro games board. The fan translation scenes for anime, manga, and video games are mostly controlled by 4chan users at this point. Many of these groups could go legit with some funding (see Crunchyroll, which was basically an anime fansubbing group that got the funding to acquire broadcast rights for simulcasted subtitled anime and grew very quickly, or Carpe Fulgur, two goons that translate Japanese indie games). Import services are an obvious choice. Indeed, jlist has been advertising with 4chan almost since its inception, and there's no reason there couldn't be more competition in this space.
gregpilling 13y ago
I always find that thought fascinating "demographic X doesn't spend money". It seems to me that most people I have met in my life spend all their money - just on different things. So the 4chan fans probably spend their money on SOMETHING, the question is really how much? and on what? Even if you assume that they are all teenagers with no income, in the US they would be spending thousands of their parents dollars per year on some sort of stuff. Source - I have 4 kids

benologist 13y ago

Is that a strength? It didn't end up meaning much for Rose and Digg which was perhaps even bigger at its peak, or ThePirateBay who unsuccessfully tried to build a legitimate offshoot many times.

kevando 13y ago
Not sure I follow. Kevin Rose seems pretty successful with Google Ventures and the piratebay is just a torrent site.
- benologist 13y ago
  It seems like when you have a fairly quirky and empowered community (including thepiratebay, millions of users & larger ecosystem they spearhead) the users don't readily transfer over to anything at all. Digg lead to Pownce which was poorly received and TPB made a whole network of sites nobody cares about. I think it's because the users lose their communal identity.