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Could you kindly s tfu please? Women do simply have it much harder than men in tech and if you even criticize them for trying to build a community, you do a lo
by wellboy 13y ago
Could you kindly s tfu please?
Women do simply have it much harder than men in tech and if you even criticize them for trying to build a community, you do a lot of harm to the whole industry and will scare away even more women from becoming interested in tech.
With statements like yours, you are making sure that the gender divide becomes bigger and bigger and that people become very sensitive and insecure when discussing female founders, female programmers and similar.
- wellboy 13y agoWhy the downvotes, I said kindly?
- tomp 13y ago>s tfu Not really. The way I understand GP's comment, he was stating why the whole idea might be considered controversial/misandric/inappropriate by reversing the genders (I'd say he was quite successful, btw, as you have clearly demonstrated by assuming chauvinistic/misogynistic intentions behind GP's comment). On the other hand, what you have done is you projected your dogmatic worldview where intellectual discussion and criticism is not welcome and only one point of view is correct/allowed.
- wellboy 13y agoIf you mean that he meant his comment to be satirical, I can't see a hint for that anywhere in his comment.
- asdasf 13y ago>With statements like yours, you are making sure that the gender divide becomes bigger and bigger and that people become very sensitive and insecure when discussing female founders, female programmers and similar. No, that is what statements like yours do. Contrary to popular belief, not all women share a single brain and all think the same thing. Many women do not like being singled out with patronizing events like this. They do not enjoy being reminded once again that they are not "programmers" but "women programmers", to be used as tools to score points in a game of politics.
- logjam 13y agoContrary to your belief, there is absolutely nothing "patronizing" about supportive events in a hostile environment, a hostile environment created by decades of outright misogyny and sexual harassment, accompanied by decades of sticking ones head in the sand by others - like you and the OP.
- Crake 13y agoThank you.
- Crake 13y agoFeminists are probably the #1 force for scaring away women from tech. If you say something is true enough times (All men might rape you! Programmers all hate women!), especially from a position of power and political influence, people will start to believe it. Encouraging and (in some cases, like donglegate) inducing both an atmosphere of fear and paranoia in and towards women is incredibly detrimental towards the general humanitarian goal of bettering society. There are isolated instances of sexism, but women don't really have it hard at all in tech. I'd say the sex discrimination in favor of women ("affirmative action") massively outweighs any lingering discrimination against women.
- wellboy 13y ago> women don't really have it hard at all in tech + affirmative action I'm sorry, but the facts are all against what you were saying. I've read numerous stories about female programmers having a hard time fitting in at work, facing prejudice all the time etc. Same about female tech-founders. You might be right in the business world or more "female-like" industries such as fashion, but definitely not in tech.
- Crake 13y ago>the facts are all against what you were saying This would probably be more convincing if actually you provided any, instead of just vaguely referencing anecdotes. Without it, you have just an opinion, not an argument.
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