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Actually most men who program are just interested in it. Same with the ladies. Discussing gender is irrelevant to this forum. This new age jargon will have a

by animus9 13y ago

Actually most men who program are just interested in it. Same with the ladies. Discussing gender is irrelevant to this forum. This new age jargon will have a short shelf life once the truth gets out. Those who sow seeds of discord will soon have to reap their crops.

detcader 13y ago
There's a gender imbalance in the programming field. This, to many, is worthy of thought. If you think you really know what's relevant to be discussed on Hacker News, you should shoot pg an email volunteering to moderate, see how that goes
pyrocat 13y ago
So how's your militant MRA cult going?
- jacobtracey 13y ago
  What?
  - DanBC 13y ago
    Animus9 is an obvious mens rights advocate. They are indistinguishable from trolls; the only difference being that they believe the stuff they say.
    - poorelise 13y ago
      So advocating mens right is equal to being a rightwing military cult person? Are you really of the opinion that men's rights are not important? Also, ad hominem...
      - pyrocat 13y ago
        I'm saying the way Animus9 'advocates mens rights' is equal to being a rightwing military cult person.
        poorelise 13y ago
        And which of his comments makes you think so?
        pyrocat 13y ago
        Take your pick: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=animus9 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=animus9
        poorelise 13y ago
        I had read those, but I didn't see anything military right-wing in them.
        pyrocat 13y ago
        I didn't say there was anything military right-wing in them? I said his posts had the rhetoric of a militant cult. Some exmaples: > "An all boys class sure would be a breath of fresh air: it might be possible to focus on the actual education for once. Voluntary segregation seems like it would solve a lot of problems and eliminate our favourite scapegoats." > "This new age jargon will have a short shelf life once the truth gets out. Those who sow seeds of discord will soon have to reap their crops." > "The only thing suspicious is the propaganda machine which is creating this never ending list of gender-tech articles and their associated divisionist jargon."
        jacobtracey 13y ago
        What's your point? It really seems like you're simply trying to damage his character by saying his rhetoric is like a 'militant cult'. This is classic ad hominem, you don't actually address any of his points, just attack his character.
    - detcader 13y ago
      @poorelise - you seem unfamiliar with what DanBC means by "mens rights advocate" -- let me help you: Men’s Rights Activists advocate for ‘human rights’ with rape and death threats - http://feministcurrent.com/7555/mens-rights-activistsadvocate-for-human-rights-with-rape-and-death-threats/ http://feministcurrent.com/7555/mens-rights-activistsadvocat... The most persuasive MRA ever - http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/11/the-most-persuasive-mra-ever/ http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/11/the-most-p... White Hot Rage: the men's rights movement - http://prospect.org/article/white-hot-rage http://prospect.org/article/white-hot-rage
      - nthrow 13y ago
        Cherry picking incidents involving the actions of disturbed individuals to attempt to smear a multifaceted movement is intellectually dishonest. That's like claiming all Muslims are terrorists because some Muslims are.
        DanBC 13y ago
        MRA at this time is strongly linked to wingnuts. That is not to say there there is no benefit to considering the rights of men or the problems that men face with issues like violent attack or custody disputes.
        detcader 13y ago
        "Disturbed individuals"? Did you read the articles? The people being describes are the leaders of the "movement", like Elam. The "movement" obviously encourages the behavior being described -- meanwhile, groups like CAIR work hard to address the popular image of the terrorist Muslim. Where is the CAIR of "men's rights" I wonder
        nthrow 13y ago
        There are some Muslim leaders that express disturbing things as well. Once again, this does not make them the voice of mainstream Islam. If you actually visit a large men's rights community, like http://reddit.com/r/mensrights http://reddit.com/r/mensrights, you'll find that some women participate in discussion as well and the men are not the rape-happy bugaboos that many paint MRAs in general to be.
    - animus9 13y ago
      Your label, not mine. I don't believe in the MRA movement or whatever you call it. I am opposed to off-topic gender politics articles (which are becoming more frequent here) as I believe they are divisionist and ruin the spirit of this forum. This is Hacker News NOT Gender Politics News.
    - nthrow 13y ago
      Your statement is about as intelligent as saying feminists are indistinguishable from trolls. The men's rights movement, like feminism, isn't monolithic.
      - detcader 13y ago
        It is reactionary, i.e. its MO is to paint "feminism" as monolithic and dangerous. If these men really cared about gender inequality and the problems they face as men, they would see that many branches of feminism, like radical feminism, offers solutions where everyone comes out the winner. But that's not what "men's rights" is for. This is coming from a man who has learned a lot by listening to women instead of constructing male echo chambers.
        nthrow 13y ago
        There are men's rights practitioners that support the egalitarian aims of feminism. Equality is what reasonable MRAs and feminists want. Unreasonable MRAs and feminists, however, are more interested in having someone to blame.
        detcader 13y ago
        "egalitarian aims of feminism" keep demonstrating you know little about what the word "feminism" refers to, go on
        nthrow 13y ago
        The popular understanding of feminism is that it aims for equality between men and women. You've more or less said "you don't understand feminism" without explaining how, exactly, feminism doesn't aim for equality. Not very useful if your aim is to increase understanding of your viewpoint.
        poorelise 13y ago
        Maybe men's rights advocates mostly fight about unreasonable feminism then. If you have any links to reasonable feminism, I would be glad to receive them. I am still looking for examples for that.

by animus9 13y ago

detcader 13y ago

There's a gender imbalance in the programming field. This, to many, is worthy of thought. If you think you really know what's relevant to be discussed on Hacker News, you should shoot pg an email volunteering to moderate, see how that goes

pyrocat 13y ago

So how's your militant MRA cult going?

jacobtracey 13y ago
What?
- DanBC 13y ago
  Animus9 is an obvious mens rights advocate. They are indistinguishable from trolls; the only difference being that they believe the stuff they say.
  - poorelise 13y ago
    So advocating mens right is equal to being a rightwing military cult person? Are you really of the opinion that men's rights are not important? Also, ad hominem...
    - pyrocat 13y ago
      I'm saying the way Animus9 'advocates mens rights' is equal to being a rightwing military cult person.
      - poorelise 13y ago
        And which of his comments makes you think so?
        pyrocat 13y ago
        Take your pick: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=animus9 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=animus9
        poorelise 13y ago
        I had read those, but I didn't see anything military right-wing in them.
        pyrocat 13y ago
        I didn't say there was anything military right-wing in them? I said his posts had the rhetoric of a militant cult. Some exmaples: > "An all boys class sure would be a breath of fresh air: it might be possible to focus on the actual education for once. Voluntary segregation seems like it would solve a lot of problems and eliminate our favourite scapegoats." > "This new age jargon will have a short shelf life once the truth gets out. Those who sow seeds of discord will soon have to reap their crops." > "The only thing suspicious is the propaganda machine which is creating this never ending list of gender-tech articles and their associated divisionist jargon."
        jacobtracey 13y ago
        What's your point? It really seems like you're simply trying to damage his character by saying his rhetoric is like a 'militant cult'. This is classic ad hominem, you don't actually address any of his points, just attack his character.
  - detcader 13y ago
    @poorelise - you seem unfamiliar with what DanBC means by "mens rights advocate" -- let me help you: Men’s Rights Activists advocate for ‘human rights’ with rape and death threats - http://feministcurrent.com/7555/mens-rights-activistsadvocate-for-human-rights-with-rape-and-death-threats/ http://feministcurrent.com/7555/mens-rights-activistsadvocat... The most persuasive MRA ever - http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/11/the-most-persuasive-mra-ever/ http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/11/the-most-p... White Hot Rage: the men's rights movement - http://prospect.org/article/white-hot-rage http://prospect.org/article/white-hot-rage
    - nthrow 13y ago
      Cherry picking incidents involving the actions of disturbed individuals to attempt to smear a multifaceted movement is intellectually dishonest. That's like claiming all Muslims are terrorists because some Muslims are.
      - DanBC 13y ago
        MRA at this time is strongly linked to wingnuts. That is not to say there there is no benefit to considering the rights of men or the problems that men face with issues like violent attack or custody disputes.
      - detcader 13y ago
        "Disturbed individuals"? Did you read the articles? The people being describes are the leaders of the "movement", like Elam. The "movement" obviously encourages the behavior being described -- meanwhile, groups like CAIR work hard to address the popular image of the terrorist Muslim. Where is the CAIR of "men's rights" I wonder
        nthrow 13y ago
        There are some Muslim leaders that express disturbing things as well. Once again, this does not make them the voice of mainstream Islam. If you actually visit a large men's rights community, like http://reddit.com/r/mensrights http://reddit.com/r/mensrights, you'll find that some women participate in discussion as well and the men are not the rape-happy bugaboos that many paint MRAs in general to be.
  - animus9 13y ago
    Your label, not mine. I don't believe in the MRA movement or whatever you call it. I am opposed to off-topic gender politics articles (which are becoming more frequent here) as I believe they are divisionist and ruin the spirit of this forum. This is Hacker News NOT Gender Politics News.
  - nthrow 13y ago
    Your statement is about as intelligent as saying feminists are indistinguishable from trolls. The men's rights movement, like feminism, isn't monolithic.
    - detcader 13y ago
      It is reactionary, i.e. its MO is to paint "feminism" as monolithic and dangerous. If these men really cared about gender inequality and the problems they face as men, they would see that many branches of feminism, like radical feminism, offers solutions where everyone comes out the winner. But that's not what "men's rights" is for. This is coming from a man who has learned a lot by listening to women instead of constructing male echo chambers.
      - nthrow 13y ago
        There are men's rights practitioners that support the egalitarian aims of feminism. Equality is what reasonable MRAs and feminists want. Unreasonable MRAs and feminists, however, are more interested in having someone to blame.
        detcader 13y ago
        "egalitarian aims of feminism" keep demonstrating you know little about what the word "feminism" refers to, go on
        nthrow 13y ago
        The popular understanding of feminism is that it aims for equality between men and women. You've more or less said "you don't understand feminism" without explaining how, exactly, feminism doesn't aim for equality. Not very useful if your aim is to increase understanding of your viewpoint.
      - poorelise 13y ago
        Maybe men's rights advocates mostly fight about unreasonable feminism then. If you have any links to reasonable feminism, I would be glad to receive them. I am still looking for examples for that.