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Tongue in cheek, but I think there might be a point here struggling to see the light of day... Why? I mean, why would women want to get into coding? If one is

by alan_cx 13y ago

Tongue in cheek, but I think there might be a point here struggling to see the light of day... Why? I mean, why would women want to get into coding? If one is not already working with computers, from the outside world, its a crappy job, and the money isn't better than many other things. Not to mention the insane hours culture. Women have a clean sheet choice. Why work in an office, killing your brain on hugely complex things for not much extra money, sat in front of what is essentially a complex toy? Has it ever occurred to people that perhaps girls take an objective choice based on purely the work and reward (money or psychological) and make a wise choice to do something else? Also, coders are seen widely was geeky, spotty, awkward, weirdos, who cant get laid. And, um, they are often banging on about getting more women in the workplace. From a girls POV, that's sounding a bit iffy at best. My attitude is to just let women do what they want to do, and if I get a CV from one, well, I dont want to know if its a woman or not. I just want the skills. I dont care if its a man, woman, or what ever. Just don't get in anyones way and let nature take its course. But personally, I cant help thinking women are making a smart choice, and going for better way to spend life earning a crust. I mean, really, look at what we do. Its a terrible way to be. And we know this is true because even the big tech companies go out of their way trying to make offices and environments fun and exciting. And that is for men. Heh, even men hate it, and need a bouincy toy to distract them!!! I don't see many of other companies going this far. Why? Because the job is awful. So, men, stop trying to shit up womens lives by making them feel bad for not wanting to work down the mine.... sorry, code. XXXXX love you all, obviously ;)

detcader 13y ago
I dunno, programming can be as fun as any other art, and the money is good and secure. And I don't see how this analysis incorporates gender at all -- unless you're saying women are better at decision-making than men, heh
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- tomp 13y ago
  > Don't become entrepreneurs. All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company is just ~terrible~. I think that a generally good advice, not just for "the Ladies" you refer to. Most businesses fail, many entrepreneurs burn out, and attributing money and fame to startup owners is caused by the survivorship bias.
  - ChrisNorstrom 13y ago
    I disagree. There are 28 million small businesses in the US, employing 50% of the working population, and having generated 65% of new jobs since 1995. Shooing people away (especially women) thinking it weeds out the pussies is like telling your kids to not go for that job promotion at work.
- belorn 13y ago
  > All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company I think drug sellers says the exact same thing. Of course, thats the problem here. One person is describe the work, while the other is describing the sought result. Everyone wants money, fame and a rich life. That is not the issue. The question is how to get there, and what you need to do in order to get the money, fame and rich life.
- ramblerman 13y ago
  " All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company..." Yeah, I think maybe you're the one that is slightly deluded. OP offered a realistic view of what a coding job often implies, and why it might not be that glamorous to many women. You pretend they're all going to own their own company and make a ton of money.
  - vacri 13y ago
    No, he didn't. He said "smart women choose not to go into coding. Leave that to us men to handle for you". Men hate the job? Really? Then why has Silicon Valley filled up with men from all over the world struggling to crowbar their way into it? Coding isn't a horrible job - if it was, you wouldn't have such high salaries and companies with anti-poaching arrangements to prevent further inflating those salaries. It was an extremely patronising comment, and seemed to verbally pat women as a demographic on the head. "I don't discriminate against applicants on gender, but hey girls, you don't want to apply anyway" The irritating thing is that you can only rarely group men or women together as being one way or the other. Once you get past primary and secondary sexual characteristics, there are no blanket statements which apply. Pick pretty much any blanket statement you like, and if you actually look at the men and women around you, you'll find plenty of exceptions. I actually think that the comment was a troll, but Poe's Law applies, and plenty of people will support his view.
Cthulhu_ 13y ago
I'm a high-end coder working as a consultant for a major international bank (etc etc etc), and your assertions / sweeping generalisations about coders are wrong; first, not all of us are weirdos; most are married or dating, and we work regular 9 - 5:30 days (with some flexibility). Definitely not a mine (although I wouldn't mind a bit more natural light, but then, office buildings). If it was a 'terrible way to be', I wouldn't be working here; I like my job. Also, if they try to lure me in with bouncy toys, I'll tell 'em to fuck right off - that probably means the other working conditions, pay, etc are shit.

by alan_cx 13y ago

detcader 13y ago

I dunno, programming can be as fun as any other art, and the money is good and secure. And I don't see how this analysis incorporates gender at all -- unless you're saying women are better at decision-making than men, heh

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tomp 13y ago
> Don't become entrepreneurs. All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company is just ~terrible~. I think that a generally good advice, not just for "the Ladies" you refer to. Most businesses fail, many entrepreneurs burn out, and attributing money and fame to startup owners is caused by the survivorship bias.
- ChrisNorstrom 13y ago
  I disagree. There are 28 million small businesses in the US, employing 50% of the working population, and having generated 65% of new jobs since 1995. Shooing people away (especially women) thinking it weeds out the pussies is like telling your kids to not go for that job promotion at work.
belorn 13y ago
> All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company I think drug sellers says the exact same thing. Of course, thats the problem here. One person is describe the work, while the other is describing the sought result. Everyone wants money, fame and a rich life. That is not the issue. The question is how to get there, and what you need to do in order to get the money, fame and rich life.
ramblerman 13y ago
" All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company..." Yeah, I think maybe you're the one that is slightly deluded. OP offered a realistic view of what a coding job often implies, and why it might not be that glamorous to many women. You pretend they're all going to own their own company and make a ton of money.
- vacri 13y ago
  No, he didn't. He said "smart women choose not to go into coding. Leave that to us men to handle for you". Men hate the job? Really? Then why has Silicon Valley filled up with men from all over the world struggling to crowbar their way into it? Coding isn't a horrible job - if it was, you wouldn't have such high salaries and companies with anti-poaching arrangements to prevent further inflating those salaries. It was an extremely patronising comment, and seemed to verbally pat women as a demographic on the head. "I don't discriminate against applicants on gender, but hey girls, you don't want to apply anyway" The irritating thing is that you can only rarely group men or women together as being one way or the other. Once you get past primary and secondary sexual characteristics, there are no blanket statements which apply. Pick pretty much any blanket statement you like, and if you actually look at the men and women around you, you'll find plenty of exceptions. I actually think that the comment was a troll, but Poe's Law applies, and plenty of people will support his view.

Cthulhu_ 13y ago

I'm a high-end coder working as a consultant for a major international bank (etc etc etc), and your assertions / sweeping generalisations about coders are wrong; first, not all of us are weirdos; most are married or dating, and we work regular 9 - 5:30 days (with some flexibility). Definitely not a mine (although I wouldn't mind a bit more natural light, but then, office buildings). If it was a 'terrible way to be', I wouldn't be working here; I like my job. Also, if they try to lure me in with bouncy toys, I'll tell 'em to fuck right off - that probably means the other working conditions, pay, etc are shit.