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Could we stop posting this please? It is a fantastic idea, but is incomplete and not worked on much at all. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7078660 http:/

Could we stop posting this please? It is a fantastic idea, but is incomplete and not worked on much at all. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7078660 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7078660 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=900865 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=900865 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1425203 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1425203 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6843719 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6843719 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2701414 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2701414 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4112852 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4112852

lelf 13y ago
Also when will people understand that SICP is not about teaching programming language? There is no fucking point in rewriting it in your favourite language, it is 99.9% your language less suitable for it (99% it already has mutable state, assignment, loops, (pseudo-)OOP and 5 layers of historic brain damage) Don't know scheme? But it's even better that way! Many things will faster click in your head. Like oh wtf we're writing programs in some lists. Oh and now how the fuck your interpreter can evaluate programs far more complex than itself?
- niuzeta 13y ago
  Scheme and/or Common LISP seem to be the common recommendation to embark on SICP journey, just for reference.
  - phaer 13y ago
    Especially scheme, because it's the language used in the original edition.
  - juliangamble 13y ago
    Look at Racket (was Dr Scheme) and use the dialect R5RS http://stackoverflow.com/questions/939582/which-language-in-drscheme-for-sicp http://stackoverflow.com/questions/939582/which-language-in-...
    - soegaard 13y ago
      Use the SICP package for Racket, when you get to the chapters with non-standard functions. For example the chapter on streams and the one about the picture language. http://planet.racket-lang.org/package-source/neil/sicp.plt/1/17/planet-docs/sicp/index.html http://planet.racket-lang.org/package-source/neil/sicp.plt/1...
  - wuschel 13y ago
    An alternative to Racket would be Chicken Scheme. But again, anything that has R5RS included will do fine. I would not go with R7RS, but this is just a personal preference. Seems bloated to me.
- username223 13y ago
  > it already has mutable state, assignment, loops, (pseudo-)OOP and 5 layers of historic brain damage You mean like Scheme, right? It's got all that, plus an extra couple of layers now that there's R7RS.
- lvh 13y ago
  Sure, but this is in Clojure. Surely that's not /that/ far away from Scheme: they're Lisp-1's with pervasive immutability. There's not such an emphasis on explicit recursion, but the loop/recur pattern is still pretty close :) (But yes, you would have to of course translate it from Scheme to Clojure, which means not doing the explicit recursion.)
janogonzalez 13y ago
The Heart wants what The Heart wants

lelf 13y ago

Also when will people understand that SICP is not about teaching programming language? There is no fucking point in rewriting it in your favourite language, it is 99.9% your language less suitable for it (99% it already has mutable state, assignment, loops, (pseudo-)OOP and 5 layers of historic brain damage) Don't know scheme? But it's even better that way! Many things will faster click in your head. Like oh wtf we're writing programs in some lists. Oh and now how the fuck your interpreter can evaluate programs far more complex than itself?

niuzeta 13y ago
Scheme and/or Common LISP seem to be the common recommendation to embark on SICP journey, just for reference.
- phaer 13y ago
  Especially scheme, because it's the language used in the original edition.
- juliangamble 13y ago
  Look at Racket (was Dr Scheme) and use the dialect R5RS http://stackoverflow.com/questions/939582/which-language-in-drscheme-for-sicp http://stackoverflow.com/questions/939582/which-language-in-...
  - soegaard 13y ago
    Use the SICP package for Racket, when you get to the chapters with non-standard functions. For example the chapter on streams and the one about the picture language. http://planet.racket-lang.org/package-source/neil/sicp.plt/1/17/planet-docs/sicp/index.html http://planet.racket-lang.org/package-source/neil/sicp.plt/1...
- wuschel 13y ago
  An alternative to Racket would be Chicken Scheme. But again, anything that has R5RS included will do fine. I would not go with R7RS, but this is just a personal preference. Seems bloated to me.
username223 13y ago
> it already has mutable state, assignment, loops, (pseudo-)OOP and 5 layers of historic brain damage You mean like Scheme, right? It's got all that, plus an extra couple of layers now that there's R7RS.
lvh 13y ago
Sure, but this is in Clojure. Surely that's not /that/ far away from Scheme: they're Lisp-1's with pervasive immutability. There's not such an emphasis on explicit recursion, but the loop/recur pattern is still pretty close :) (But yes, you would have to of course translate it from Scheme to Clojure, which means not doing the explicit recursion.)

janogonzalez 13y ago

The Heart wants what The Heart wants