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As someone who voted for Obama twice (once for change and once against Romney) I will be voting from now on for anyone and everyone who would be new to DC. At t

As someone who voted for Obama twice (once for change and once against Romney) I will be voting from now on for anyone and everyone who would be new to DC. At this point that's the best hope for change that I can see.

ScottWhigham 13y ago
But Obama was "new to DC" - I don't get your logic here.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > But Obama was "new to DC" When he was elected to the Senate, he was new to DC. When he was elected to the Presidency as a sitting US Senator, not so much.
  - ScottWhigham 13y ago
    It's a tough thing. If you vote for someone with no ties to Washington, you are "voting for someone with no experience." If you vote for someone entrenched in DC, you are "voting for a career politician." It's a lose/lose proposition haha
    - dragonwriter 13y ago
      Its a lose/lose proposition if you adopt both of these two criteria as absolute criteria: 1) You should not vote for someone with no experience in the the federal government, and 2) You should not vote for someone with experience in the federal government. Of course, these are individually ridiculous criteria in electing a President, and even more ridiculous in combination. Selecting a President requires more than verifying the presence or absence of a "past experience in federal government" line on a resume.
- notdonspaulding 13y ago
  Obama came from Chicago politics. He was "new to DC" like John Carmack is "new to Occulus Rift". He might be working with a different crew now, but he's bringing a lot of "experience" to bear.
dragonwriter 13y ago
> As someone who voted for Obama twice (once for change and once against Romney) I will be voting from now on for anyone and everyone who would be new to DC. Actually, unfocussed churn in elected policymakers just means that the unelected powerbrokers -- who are very much not interested in change -- increase in power relative to the rotating classes of novice elected officials. Especially given the limitations of our electoral system in providing choices and effective representation, educated voting on substance alone without effort outside of voting is insufficient to do much to produce desired change, but reducing the effort involved to just voting blindly for novelty will be even less effective.
pyrocat 13y ago
Sarah Palin, then?

ScottWhigham 13y ago

But Obama was "new to DC" - I don't get your logic here.

dragonwriter 13y ago
> But Obama was "new to DC" When he was elected to the Senate, he was new to DC. When he was elected to the Presidency as a sitting US Senator, not so much.
- ScottWhigham 13y ago
  It's a tough thing. If you vote for someone with no ties to Washington, you are "voting for someone with no experience." If you vote for someone entrenched in DC, you are "voting for a career politician." It's a lose/lose proposition haha
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    Its a lose/lose proposition if you adopt both of these two criteria as absolute criteria: 1) You should not vote for someone with no experience in the the federal government, and 2) You should not vote for someone with experience in the federal government. Of course, these are individually ridiculous criteria in electing a President, and even more ridiculous in combination. Selecting a President requires more than verifying the presence or absence of a "past experience in federal government" line on a resume.
notdonspaulding 13y ago
Obama came from Chicago politics. He was "new to DC" like John Carmack is "new to Occulus Rift". He might be working with a different crew now, but he's bringing a lot of "experience" to bear.

dragonwriter 13y ago

> As someone who voted for Obama twice (once for change and once against Romney) I will be voting from now on for anyone and everyone who would be new to DC. Actually, unfocussed churn in elected policymakers just means that the unelected powerbrokers -- who are very much not interested in change -- increase in power relative to the rotating classes of novice elected officials. Especially given the limitations of our electoral system in providing choices and effective representation, educated voting on substance alone without effort outside of voting is insufficient to do much to produce desired change, but reducing the effort involved to just voting blindly for novelty will be even less effective.

pyrocat 13y ago

Sarah Palin, then?