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> You're advocating that the government be given unfettered access to information Where have I advocated completely unfettered access? I'd be interested to see

• Crito 13y ago
  Oh right, not unfettered access, just access when somebody has a "hunch". Very different!
  • mpyne 13y ago
    Did you even read what I wrote, or is pattern-matching against text all you're able to do in these threads?
    • Crito 13y ago
      Give to to me straight: Do you think that a search warrant should be obtained before violating the privacy of Abdi Zullah? My question uses the word "should", not the word "could". Because it sounds like you are saying that the investigation of Abdi Zullah should be permitted to circumvent the courts because the courts and the protections that they rightfully confer would not permit the violation of Abdi Zullah. It sounds like you think the 4th amendment is great under 'normal circumstances', and it sounds like you think that "terrorism" and "I've got a hunch" should be a secret password for a process that circumvents it. If this is a misunderstanding, then I do not seem to be the only one misunderstanding you. You should work on your delivery.
      • mpyne 13y ago
        > Give to to me straight: Do you think that a search warrant should be obtained before violating the privacy of Abdi Zullah? For law enforcement? Yes, at least to the extent that an "unreasonable" search would be performed. For military applications (such as, yes, counter-terrorism)? No, for the same reason we didn't get a warrant to wiretap Hitler's generals. I would still say that searches against any particular individual be supported by more than a single analyst's "hunch", or that non-individualized searches should be looking for particular things instead of just trawling what they can, if only for resource efficiency reasons.
        • Crito 13y ago
          I don't believe that anybody is suggesting that the CIA or NSA should request search warrants for non-citizens located outside of the US. Even if you had probable cause the courts would just be perplexed that you were coming to them with something from outside of the country. (Many people, myself included, think that there is something wrong with how we are currently handling those situations, but search warrants for non-citizens outside of the country are obviously not the answer we are looking for there.) Domestic terrorists? Get a warrant.
          • mpyne 13y ago
            What are you talking about? Domestic terrorists already require a warrant.