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This is matter of statistics, not personal anecdote. All reporting on the matter I've seen indicate H1-Bs in IT earn sub native wages, and employers easily get

This is matter of statistics, not personal anecdote. All reporting on the matter I've seen indicate H1-Bs in IT earn sub native wages, and employers easily get around the rules to hire cheap foreigners. Anyway, as a matter of national policy it's remarkably short sighted to import large numbers of skilled workers to a large nation like America. Can't people see that addressing any "shortage" this way perpetuates it? People have got the memo loud and clear: If you are a technical worker you are a fungible commodity of little status. Your prestige and earnings will be attacked with immigration policy, visas, and outsourcing. Why go in for this as a career if you have options? The most able will go elsewhere.

ausjke 13y ago
The ugly truth is that, without H1B policy, the big corps will more likely do more outsourcing,which is worse. I agree some big foreign IT agencies are hiring cheaper H1B, those are normally pure-software jobs, the EE/H1B looks different to me, in that, H1Bs are not cheap, if at all. I am EE. I checked again and again, the college graduates here fail to do basic math is beyond imagination. I hope STEM can help to better that, in fact I'm leading a local math club as a volunteer to do just that.
- a8da6b0c91d 13y ago
  > do more outsourcing,which is worse Why would outsourcing be worse? The detailed analyses show that bringing people here has large costs externalized to tax payers. People use schools and when eligible chain-migrate low skill relatives. If businesses feel the business environment the citizenry of America have built up is not worth the costs, well I'm fine with them choosing other places to operate. What they shouldn't be allowed to do is import a new citizenry.
  - ausjke 13y ago
    In the long run, the engineers trained via outsourcing will become strong competitors, while USA have nothing to compete against then. USA can not have all the local graduates do architecture-design or marketing/project-management,that will doom the country soon or later. Usually H1Bs' kids excel at school, and their parents pay tax on that. For their poor relatives to immigrate 22+ years later(roughly 5 year for greencard, 5 year for citizenship, 12 years for relative immigration waiting period), it's a immigration policy issue, however it's still all legal, at least 10X better than those who came here illegally. Keep jobs local is vital, outsourcing R&D is so short-sighted, with more STEMs, H1B will be irrelavant.

ausjke 13y ago

The ugly truth is that, without H1B policy, the big corps will more likely do more outsourcing,which is worse. I agree some big foreign IT agencies are hiring cheaper H1B, those are normally pure-software jobs, the EE/H1B looks different to me, in that, H1Bs are not cheap, if at all. I am EE. I checked again and again, the college graduates here fail to do basic math is beyond imagination. I hope STEM can help to better that, in fact I'm leading a local math club as a volunteer to do just that.

a8da6b0c91d 13y ago
> do more outsourcing,which is worse Why would outsourcing be worse? The detailed analyses show that bringing people here has large costs externalized to tax payers. People use schools and when eligible chain-migrate low skill relatives. If businesses feel the business environment the citizenry of America have built up is not worth the costs, well I'm fine with them choosing other places to operate. What they shouldn't be allowed to do is import a new citizenry.
- ausjke 13y ago
  In the long run, the engineers trained via outsourcing will become strong competitors, while USA have nothing to compete against then. USA can not have all the local graduates do architecture-design or marketing/project-management,that will doom the country soon or later. Usually H1Bs' kids excel at school, and their parents pay tax on that. For their poor relatives to immigrate 22+ years later(roughly 5 year for greencard, 5 year for citizenship, 12 years for relative immigration waiting period), it's a immigration policy issue, however it's still all legal, at least 10X better than those who came here illegally. Keep jobs local is vital, outsourcing R&D is so short-sighted, with more STEMs, H1B will be irrelavant.