4 ms·

Good times are over. All the tech people behind that vile FWD.us site fighting for immigration reform are slowly getting their wishes, opening the flood gates f

Good times are over. All the tech people behind that vile FWD.us site fighting for immigration reform are slowly getting their wishes, opening the flood gates for cheap South/Southeast Asian labor. CS/ECE are over in being lucrative majors to pursue. It'll only be a matter of time before most engineering degrees go the same way.

davidw 13y ago
> Good times are over Beyond the lump of labor fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy , did you consider that those people have every right to do their best in this world as anyone else, no matter where they happen to be born? That might mean coming to the US or Germany or whatever. If that's easier for them, fine by me.
- pessimizer 13y ago
  >those people have every right to do their best in this world as anyone else, no matter where they happen to be born? Nobody's proposing any anti-"doing-your-best" legislation, nor blaming the cheap Indian labor, who is often exploited terribly.
  - davidw 13y ago
    Sure they are. They want to keep those people where they were born and do not want to let them into the US. Say you're born in someplace really bad like the Congo, as an extreme example. No matter how you try, you are not going to do your best there.
    - a8da6b0c91d 13y ago
      Why shouldn't the current residents be right to selectively exclude people? To think otherwise seems ignorant of basic human nature and thousands of years of history.
philosophus 13y ago
People said that about offshoring too, and that didn't work out too well for a few reasons: (1) the CS/ECE programs there are lower quality, (2) cultural and language problems make it easier to work with a native English speaker, (3) there is a limit to the number of people who are inherently intelligent/motivated enough to be a good developer. So FWD.us might well succeed in opening the gates, but I think they're in for some disappointment as to who ends up coming through them.

davidw 13y ago

> Good times are over Beyond the lump of labor fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy , did you consider that those people have every right to do their best in this world as anyone else, no matter where they happen to be born? That might mean coming to the US or Germany or whatever. If that's easier for them, fine by me.

pessimizer 13y ago
>those people have every right to do their best in this world as anyone else, no matter where they happen to be born? Nobody's proposing any anti-"doing-your-best" legislation, nor blaming the cheap Indian labor, who is often exploited terribly.
- davidw 13y ago
  Sure they are. They want to keep those people where they were born and do not want to let them into the US. Say you're born in someplace really bad like the Congo, as an extreme example. No matter how you try, you are not going to do your best there.
  - a8da6b0c91d 13y ago
    Why shouldn't the current residents be right to selectively exclude people? To think otherwise seems ignorant of basic human nature and thousands of years of history.

philosophus 13y ago

People said that about offshoring too, and that didn't work out too well for a few reasons: (1) the CS/ECE programs there are lower quality, (2) cultural and language problems make it easier to work with a native English speaker, (3) there is a limit to the number of people who are inherently intelligent/motivated enough to be a good developer. So FWD.us might well succeed in opening the gates, but I think they're in for some disappointment as to who ends up coming through them.