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The transformation won't be complete until they make it so F5 clears your credentials and logs you out of Facebook. That was always my favorite Lotus Notes fea

by JunkDNA 13y ago

The transformation won't be complete until they make it so F5 clears your credentials and logs you out of Facebook. That was always my favorite Lotus Notes feature. Nothing like trying to refresh your email in a hurry when someone has just sent you something and having to enter your stupid credentials again.

arethuza 13y ago
I used to find entering my password in the Notes client rather disturbing - see the bottom of this page: http://hallofshame.gp.co.at/index.php?file=lotus.htm&mode=original http://hallofshame.gp.co.at/index.php?file=lotus.htm&mode=or...
- smackfu 13y ago
  "Further, as groups of characters are typed, the images on the dialog change to distract the would-be onlooker from observing the number of (extraneous) characters typed. " Actually, the hieroglyphics are just another dubious security feature. The theory is that you know what the hieroglyphics are for the correct password, and if they aren't shown, the login box is being spoofed. In reality, this is dumb, since any regular Notes user just tunes out that part of the login box.
  - danielweber 13y ago
    If someone could memorize your hieroglyphics, does that mean they could perform an offline attack at guessing your password? Hell, even if they only memorized the first few sequences, they would know how your password starts.
    - wikwocket 13y ago
      Presumably the hieroglyphics are generated based off a hash of what you're typing, so there will not be a one-to-one mapping of hieroglyphics back to data typed. Also, since the hieroglyphics are nonsensical and change quickly, you would probably find it easier to watch their physical keystrokes then trying to memorizing a stream of symbols. That said, all logical bets are off when analyzing a hare-brained feature like this.
    - smackfu 13y ago
      In the current implementation, it doesn't show them until after you type the fifth character, to prevent exactly this kind of attack. They also replaced the hieroglyphics with a key chain, which implies that at some point someone actually redesigned this wacky features.
- valgaze 13y ago
  Wow this is great stuff. I remember I had to use Lotusnotes with its main language set as Hebrew. That meant everything on the screen was "flipped" and since I was not 100% up to speed on the language- for the first little while it was nearly incomprehensible. Even as I improved reading, the software still seemed clunky and it was a pain to perform basic tasks. I always imagine that someone who can't read the language on the screen could muscle their way through and "figure it out" and become proficient on a product with a well designed ui/ux.

by JunkDNA 13y ago

arethuza 13y ago

I used to find entering my password in the Notes client rather disturbing - see the bottom of this page: http://hallofshame.gp.co.at/index.php?file=lotus.htm&mode=original http://hallofshame.gp.co.at/index.php?file=lotus.htm&mode=or...

smackfu 13y ago
"Further, as groups of characters are typed, the images on the dialog change to distract the would-be onlooker from observing the number of (extraneous) characters typed. " Actually, the hieroglyphics are just another dubious security feature. The theory is that you know what the hieroglyphics are for the correct password, and if they aren't shown, the login box is being spoofed. In reality, this is dumb, since any regular Notes user just tunes out that part of the login box.
- danielweber 13y ago
  If someone could memorize your hieroglyphics, does that mean they could perform an offline attack at guessing your password? Hell, even if they only memorized the first few sequences, they would know how your password starts.
  - wikwocket 13y ago
    Presumably the hieroglyphics are generated based off a hash of what you're typing, so there will not be a one-to-one mapping of hieroglyphics back to data typed. Also, since the hieroglyphics are nonsensical and change quickly, you would probably find it easier to watch their physical keystrokes then trying to memorizing a stream of symbols. That said, all logical bets are off when analyzing a hare-brained feature like this.
  - smackfu 13y ago
    In the current implementation, it doesn't show them until after you type the fifth character, to prevent exactly this kind of attack. They also replaced the hieroglyphics with a key chain, which implies that at some point someone actually redesigned this wacky features.
valgaze 13y ago
Wow this is great stuff. I remember I had to use Lotusnotes with its main language set as Hebrew. That meant everything on the screen was "flipped" and since I was not 100% up to speed on the language- for the first little while it was nearly incomprehensible. Even as I improved reading, the software still seemed clunky and it was a pain to perform basic tasks. I always imagine that someone who can't read the language on the screen could muscle their way through and "figure it out" and become proficient on a product with a well designed ui/ux.