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> just whiny children crying but it's not faaaaaaair!! without bothering to think anything through This is shockingly dismissive, IMHO. It's easy to be judgmen

by vijucat 13y ago

> just whiny children crying but it's not faaaaaaair!! without bothering to think anything through This is shockingly dismissive, IMHO. It's easy to be judgmental when it's not your job or your existence that is being threatened, but if you're the one who is being made obsolete by the ruthless march of innovation / technology, would you not be the protestor? Do you think your superior intellectual realization that "There are countless other examples industry-and-job-destroying innovations, and from a long-term historical standpoint they've always been a huge net win for humanity" (quoting from an earlier comment by you) would be enough to prevent emotional strife as you accept your new minimum-hourly-rate job?

Meekro 13y ago
You seem to implicitly concede one of my core points: that all this crap is based on appeal to emotion, rather than a rational reason for protest.. if we at least agree on that, I'm glad. Those industry-destroying innovations tend to take many years to pick up steam, and anyone who's paying attention will likely see the writing on the wall long before it happens. I'd like to think that I'd be able to re-train for a new profession before getting steamrolled, but perhaps I'm too optimistic? If I was forced to accept a new minimum-wage job, I'd probably be angry, but that wouldn't mean that my discontentment was based in reason.
- pjscott 13y ago
  > I'd like to think that I'd be able to re-train for a new profession before getting steamrolled, but perhaps I'm too optimistic? No, you'd probably be able to pull it off. If you have decent math and writing skills, those would transfer to a bunch of other jobs, and I'd bet that you're pretty smart. In other words, you're probably not a representative sample of the population.
- vijucat 13y ago
  I think we are in agreement. However, I don't see distress at getting fired or forced to move out of the neighbourhood in which you grew up as an illegitimate reason for protest. I get your viewpoint that what's good for humanity need not be humane to ALL humans, just the overall concept of humanity. However, I can't escape the feeling that there is an unnecessarily ruthless resource re-allocation going on here. Killing one process and allocating those resources to another in an instant makes sense in OS design, but maybe processes that reallocate resources from some living beings to others can be more compassionate without compromising that much in terms of efficiency. Even my web server (nginx) has a -s stop for fast shutdown and a -s quit for graceful shutdown. :-)
  - ahomescu1 13y ago
    > However, I don't see distress at getting fired or forced to move out of the neighbourhood in which you grew up as an illegitimate reason for protest. Maybe I'm just speaking for myself, but the house I grew up in is owned by my grandparents, so no one can ever force them off their own property (or me, if I wanted to live there). IMHO, it's stupid to complain that you can't rent someone else's property forever, and that they're throwing you out for a better deal. Rent is supposed to be short-term (or at least that's how it is in my country).

by vijucat 13y ago

Meekro 13y ago

You seem to implicitly concede one of my core points: that all this crap is based on appeal to emotion, rather than a rational reason for protest.. if we at least agree on that, I'm glad. Those industry-destroying innovations tend to take many years to pick up steam, and anyone who's paying attention will likely see the writing on the wall long before it happens. I'd like to think that I'd be able to re-train for a new profession before getting steamrolled, but perhaps I'm too optimistic? If I was forced to accept a new minimum-wage job, I'd probably be angry, but that wouldn't mean that my discontentment was based in reason.

pjscott 13y ago
> I'd like to think that I'd be able to re-train for a new profession before getting steamrolled, but perhaps I'm too optimistic? No, you'd probably be able to pull it off. If you have decent math and writing skills, those would transfer to a bunch of other jobs, and I'd bet that you're pretty smart. In other words, you're probably not a representative sample of the population.
vijucat 13y ago
I think we are in agreement. However, I don't see distress at getting fired or forced to move out of the neighbourhood in which you grew up as an illegitimate reason for protest. I get your viewpoint that what's good for humanity need not be humane to ALL humans, just the overall concept of humanity. However, I can't escape the feeling that there is an unnecessarily ruthless resource re-allocation going on here. Killing one process and allocating those resources to another in an instant makes sense in OS design, but maybe processes that reallocate resources from some living beings to others can be more compassionate without compromising that much in terms of efficiency. Even my web server (nginx) has a -s stop for fast shutdown and a -s quit for graceful shutdown. :-)
- ahomescu1 13y ago
  > However, I don't see distress at getting fired or forced to move out of the neighbourhood in which you grew up as an illegitimate reason for protest. Maybe I'm just speaking for myself, but the house I grew up in is owned by my grandparents, so no one can ever force them off their own property (or me, if I wanted to live there). IMHO, it's stupid to complain that you can't rent someone else's property forever, and that they're throwing you out for a better deal. Rent is supposed to be short-term (or at least that's how it is in my country).