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I think you missed the part where he had the conversation anyway, in a regular room. The procedures for handling classified information, especially SCI and ECI

by rdl 13y ago

I think you missed the part where he had the conversation anyway, in a regular room. The procedures for handling classified information, especially SCI and ECI, are there to protect from foreign intelligence services. i.e. people doing exactly the shit NSA is accused/documented of doing to foreign governments.

fit2rule 13y ago
I think you missed the point that I asked: why is there no secure facilities specifically for the purpose of citizen/representative conversation? Is it only the privileged elite military class that get the fun toys? I think it is ..
- rdl 13y ago
  There are different levels of "secure". Citizens rarely have possession of TS/SCI or TS/ECI information without possessing a valid TS/SSBI and SAP access for that material, and when they do possess that material without the authorization, their intent is rarely to testify before Congress about that material. A normal secured room (which is also swept for bugs, is kept physically secured by the Capitol Police, etc.) is perfectly adequate for normal secure communications between citizens and elected officials.
  - fit2rule 13y ago
    I care not a single bit for the Security Theatre in your TLA soup - the point yet remains: why are citizens not allowed to communicate secretly with their representatives with the same degree of certainty as their military? Hmm ..
    - taybin 13y ago
      Because they don't have to. He suggested the use of the room for their sake, not his own.
      - fit2rule 13y ago
        Of course they have to.. Schneier is monitored everywhere he goes!
        Crito 13y ago
        By who, by the people that he is talking to? I sure hope the people he is talking to are 'monitoring' him while he talks to them. It would be a waste of time if they didn't pay attention.
        fit2rule 13y ago
        If the NSA are about to take a big hit in Congress because some Congress members were educated on the actual reality, having advance notions of the nature of the enlightenment of those Congress members would help the NSA prepare a position policy for handling the issue. Do you not understand that there is nothing honorable about this agency, and this infrastructure? At all? The system is entirely corrupt, corruptible, and absolutely functional as a tool for political power. This is not the time to be milquetoast on the devices we are discovering are being used, indiscriminately, with World-changing powers, by people who were not authorized to do so by the democracy that allowed them the luxury of doing such things, for a living. These people have constructed their own private search engine - consisting of EVERYONE ELSES DATA. Anyone who cares about the society our children will inherit, must act to promote the destruction of this heinous info-apparat! Before, indeed: it is too late. There are but 3 small tigers in between the free democratic society and totalitarian fascist state, and those tigers are made of paper, electrons, and gasoline ..
- RyJones 13y ago
  SCIF are not only military in nature. Plenty of DOE sites have them, national labs, federal buildings, etc.

by rdl 13y ago

fit2rule 13y ago

I think you missed the point that I asked: why is there no secure facilities specifically for the purpose of citizen/representative conversation? Is it only the privileged elite military class that get the fun toys? I think it is ..

rdl 13y ago
There are different levels of "secure". Citizens rarely have possession of TS/SCI or TS/ECI information without possessing a valid TS/SSBI and SAP access for that material, and when they do possess that material without the authorization, their intent is rarely to testify before Congress about that material. A normal secured room (which is also swept for bugs, is kept physically secured by the Capitol Police, etc.) is perfectly adequate for normal secure communications between citizens and elected officials.
- fit2rule 13y ago
  I care not a single bit for the Security Theatre in your TLA soup - the point yet remains: why are citizens not allowed to communicate secretly with their representatives with the same degree of certainty as their military? Hmm ..
  - taybin 13y ago
    Because they don't have to. He suggested the use of the room for their sake, not his own.
    - fit2rule 13y ago
      Of course they have to.. Schneier is monitored everywhere he goes!
      - Crito 13y ago
        By who, by the people that he is talking to? I sure hope the people he is talking to are 'monitoring' him while he talks to them. It would be a waste of time if they didn't pay attention.
        fit2rule 13y ago
        If the NSA are about to take a big hit in Congress because some Congress members were educated on the actual reality, having advance notions of the nature of the enlightenment of those Congress members would help the NSA prepare a position policy for handling the issue. Do you not understand that there is nothing honorable about this agency, and this infrastructure? At all? The system is entirely corrupt, corruptible, and absolutely functional as a tool for political power. This is not the time to be milquetoast on the devices we are discovering are being used, indiscriminately, with World-changing powers, by people who were not authorized to do so by the democracy that allowed them the luxury of doing such things, for a living. These people have constructed their own private search engine - consisting of EVERYONE ELSES DATA. Anyone who cares about the society our children will inherit, must act to promote the destruction of this heinous info-apparat! Before, indeed: it is too late. There are but 3 small tigers in between the free democratic society and totalitarian fascist state, and those tigers are made of paper, electrons, and gasoline ..
RyJones 13y ago
SCIF are not only military in nature. Plenty of DOE sites have them, national labs, federal buildings, etc.