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"Worse then Vista"? Sorry, let me stop this guy right there - this is just utter populistic crap. Personally, I have no problems with Windows 8, I even prefer

by jagermo 13y ago

"Worse then Vista"? Sorry, let me stop this guy right there - this is just utter populistic crap. Personally, I have no problems with Windows 8, I even prefer it to 7 (or Android) on touch enabled devices. This might be the "Windows Blue Hype" all over again.

michas 13y ago
Problem is that "touch enabled" laptops or PCs are abominations in the eyes of God :) The idea of touch screen is good in smartphones or tablets, but completely riddiculous for notebooks. And Metro is optimized for touch, but annoying to use with keyboard and mouse.
sterwill 13y ago
I think the author means the sales of Windows 8 have been worse than Vista's. I don't think it's a qualitative judgment of the product.
- vezycash 13y ago
  If the author can not perform a basic task of getting out his thoughts clearly, he stop writing! Few people will see this clarification and become misinformed.
  - nemothekid 13y ago
    Howso? Windows 8 is objectively worse than Vista. How is that not clear? On any measurable metric, the author is right.
dragonwriter 13y ago
> Personally, I have no problems with Windows 8, I even prefer it to 7 (or Android) on touch enabled devices. Even on non-touch devices, the big problems I have with Win 8/8.1 are solved by readily available third party software that gives you back a Win 7 style task bar / Start Menu (and, actually, I prefer and use this on my touchscreen laptop, as well.) AFAICT, Win 8 is an all-around improvement except for basically one highly-visible but trivially correctable UI decision for keyboard-centric devices.
- epmatsw 13y ago
  I don't think that installing 3rd party software to fix core UI issues is trivial. I think that something like that would never occur to the vast majority of Windows users.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > I don't think that installing 3rd party software to fix core UI issues is trivial. I meant trivial for me. I agree that its not trivial in the market.
    - epmatsw 13y ago
      Fair enough.
- astral303 13y ago
  Care to list some examples of such software? I don't think it's acceptable that I have to use third-party software (and most of it, last time I looked, was either additional cost or sketchy not-sure-if-free-or-spyware variety) just to make the thing usable.
  - secabeen 13y ago
    The free one is Classic Start Menu, and the very inexpensive one ($5) is Start8.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > Care to list some examples of such software? The one I use is Classic Shell [1]. The current version is free (gratis) but not Free/Open Source. There is an earlier Open Source version. > I don't think it's acceptable that I have to use third-party software (and most of it, last time I looked, was either additional cost or sketchy not-sure-if-free-or-spyware variety) just to make the thing usable. IMO, its quite usable as-is, though I like the UI less for desktop/laptop use than the Win 7 UI because of the lack of the Start Menu, so I prefer to use the available third-party software to fix that; with that third-party software, I find it better than Win 7 entirely. [1] http://www.classicshell.net/ http://www.classicshell.net/
clhodapp 13y ago
You act like things were any different with Vista... Most of the anti-Vista sentiment was also what you refer to as 'utter populistic crap' (though I don't think that phrase is actually applicable to what I think you mean).
Jare 13y ago
Anecdotally, Vista to me was absolutely flawless: rock solid in the way 2000 used to be and XP never was, performant thanks to a real 64 bit version (XP 64 was a very ugly hack) and great looking (vs the XP playskool look I could never get used to). The reason was I had a brand new, powerful rig and no legacy hardware.
mnglkhn2 13y ago
The low adoption levels for Windows 8/8.1 are a result of their own success: you have a set of robust/reliable older versions that are still doing their tasks just fine. If the corporate world does not see the benefit, then there is no hurry to chuck what they currently have in favor of the new stuff, no matter how good. I personally like Win 8/8.1, (I admit, not for the Metro stuff) especially since I am a developer. The out of the box availability of Hyper-V seems super cool to me. It is so easy to build up new VMs (both Win and Linux). Also, you can boot directly off of a VHD VM, which is also pretty cool. As I said, it is the business side of things that slows down the adoption in the corporate world. And to make it a double whammy, the consumer market is massively going to the tablet side.
nemothekid 13y ago
As stated in another article (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245321/Steven_J._Vaughan_Nichols_Lessons_for_IT_from_Windows_8_Metro http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245321/Steven_J._Vau...), when he says "worse than vista" he means lower market adoption rate.
dkl 13y ago
I even prefer it to 7 (or Android) on touch enabled devices A lot of us aren't. And we hate Windows 8.
vezycash 13y ago
Author says win 8.1's install base is 25 million... Wrong conclusion. The real issue is that some sets of pot smoking bozos decided to make upgrading from 8.0 to 8.1 a freaking pain, nightmare... Even for those with real broadband took days to upgrade! Four windows 8 laptops in my house. No broadband internet and i have to download 3.5gb of stuff four times? This stupid 'app store', inflexible control freak mentality is what will kill microsoft.

by jagermo 13y ago

michas 13y ago

Problem is that "touch enabled" laptops or PCs are abominations in the eyes of God :) The idea of touch screen is good in smartphones or tablets, but completely riddiculous for notebooks. And Metro is optimized for touch, but annoying to use with keyboard and mouse.

sterwill 13y ago

I think the author means the sales of Windows 8 have been worse than Vista's. I don't think it's a qualitative judgment of the product.

vezycash 13y ago
If the author can not perform a basic task of getting out his thoughts clearly, he stop writing! Few people will see this clarification and become misinformed.
- nemothekid 13y ago
  Howso? Windows 8 is objectively worse than Vista. How is that not clear? On any measurable metric, the author is right.

dragonwriter 13y ago

> Personally, I have no problems with Windows 8, I even prefer it to 7 (or Android) on touch enabled devices. Even on non-touch devices, the big problems I have with Win 8/8.1 are solved by readily available third party software that gives you back a Win 7 style task bar / Start Menu (and, actually, I prefer and use this on my touchscreen laptop, as well.) AFAICT, Win 8 is an all-around improvement except for basically one highly-visible but trivially correctable UI decision for keyboard-centric devices.

epmatsw 13y ago
I don't think that installing 3rd party software to fix core UI issues is trivial. I think that something like that would never occur to the vast majority of Windows users.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > I don't think that installing 3rd party software to fix core UI issues is trivial. I meant trivial for me. I agree that its not trivial in the market.
  - epmatsw 13y ago
    Fair enough.
astral303 13y ago
Care to list some examples of such software? I don't think it's acceptable that I have to use third-party software (and most of it, last time I looked, was either additional cost or sketchy not-sure-if-free-or-spyware variety) just to make the thing usable.
- secabeen 13y ago
  The free one is Classic Start Menu, and the very inexpensive one ($5) is Start8.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Care to list some examples of such software? The one I use is Classic Shell [1]. The current version is free (gratis) but not Free/Open Source. There is an earlier Open Source version. > I don't think it's acceptable that I have to use third-party software (and most of it, last time I looked, was either additional cost or sketchy not-sure-if-free-or-spyware variety) just to make the thing usable. IMO, its quite usable as-is, though I like the UI less for desktop/laptop use than the Win 7 UI because of the lack of the Start Menu, so I prefer to use the available third-party software to fix that; with that third-party software, I find it better than Win 7 entirely. [1] http://www.classicshell.net/ http://www.classicshell.net/

clhodapp 13y ago

You act like things were any different with Vista... Most of the anti-Vista sentiment was also what you refer to as 'utter populistic crap' (though I don't think that phrase is actually applicable to what I think you mean).

Jare 13y ago

Anecdotally, Vista to me was absolutely flawless: rock solid in the way 2000 used to be and XP never was, performant thanks to a real 64 bit version (XP 64 was a very ugly hack) and great looking (vs the XP playskool look I could never get used to). The reason was I had a brand new, powerful rig and no legacy hardware.

mnglkhn2 13y ago

The low adoption levels for Windows 8/8.1 are a result of their own success: you have a set of robust/reliable older versions that are still doing their tasks just fine. If the corporate world does not see the benefit, then there is no hurry to chuck what they currently have in favor of the new stuff, no matter how good. I personally like Win 8/8.1, (I admit, not for the Metro stuff) especially since I am a developer. The out of the box availability of Hyper-V seems super cool to me. It is so easy to build up new VMs (both Win and Linux). Also, you can boot directly off of a VHD VM, which is also pretty cool. As I said, it is the business side of things that slows down the adoption in the corporate world. And to make it a double whammy, the consumer market is massively going to the tablet side.

nemothekid 13y ago

As stated in another article (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245321/Steven_J._Vaughan_Nichols_Lessons_for_IT_from_Windows_8_Metro http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245321/Steven_J._Vau...), when he says "worse than vista" he means lower market adoption rate.

dkl 13y ago

I even prefer it to 7 (or Android) on touch enabled devices A lot of us aren't. And we hate Windows 8.

vezycash 13y ago

Author says win 8.1's install base is 25 million... Wrong conclusion. The real issue is that some sets of pot smoking bozos decided to make upgrading from 8.0 to 8.1 a freaking pain, nightmare... Even for those with real broadband took days to upgrade! Four windows 8 laptops in my house. No broadband internet and i have to download 3.5gb of stuff four times? This stupid 'app store', inflexible control freak mentality is what will kill microsoft.