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Pretend you live in an alternate universe America where the following is true: Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and substantially every other compan
by patio11 13y ago
Pretend you live in an alternate universe America where the following is true:
Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and substantially every other company you want to work for has an elite class of employees. They get a salary and they're mostly men, so let's call them salarymen. Salarymen are hired right out of undergraduate, almost exclusively. In fact, it is so rare to have someone hired mid-career that an e.g. product manager who managed that would probably rate an article in TechCrunch.
There is a large culture built around salarymanhood, but distilling it to the essence, it is loyalty above and below. Above, your company affords you job security comparable to that enjoyed by tenured academics or career civil servants. Below, there is only one thing you must never, ever, ever do: quit. If you stab a company in the back by quitting after they've given you the brass ring of salarymanhood, that is a worse black mark on your future employment prospects than being convicted of embezzlement.
Americans don't worry about credit reports. The only FICO score in our alternate universe is the name on your business card: if you belong to the elite fraternity of first-class corporations -- much like first-class colleges, there are wonks who keep lists but realistically you could ask any twelve year old and they'd know -- you have sufficient credit to receive loans or to rent apartments. If you don't, you will need to have someone who does cosign for you if you want to e.g. live in an apartment. There exist companies which will basically sell you "I am not a salaryman but I have a surety bond so please let me stay in your building" insurance. This costs several hundred dollars a year.
People in the United States love the institution of marriage, and having a good match is considered to be crucial to life happiness, particularly for women. Women largely prefer to marry salarymen, because salarymen mean material stability. Their parents, whose advice women frequently listen to, are virtually universal in preferring this. This is not simply an aesthetic preference like "women prefer men who are tall." Women do prefer men who are tall, but you will not be asked to provide a copy of your last physical attesting to your height when meeting your bride-to-be's parents to discuss your intention to marry her. You should, however, pack your resume [+].
America has a very low bankruptcy rate, principally because it is treated as a social sin somewhere between notoriously cheating on one's spouse or doing something really dastardly like backstabbing a company by quitting it. If you go bankrupt, you will lose friends, and your employment opportunities will be circumscribed in a manner similar to being on a blacklist. (Someone from a foreign country might wonder what happens to a salaryman who goes bankrupt. What a silly question. Americans of proper breeding and with the educational attainment and moral worth to become salarymen would simply never go bankrupt. And if, through some strange combination of unavoidable circumstances, they were threatened with financial ruin, the company would certainly take care of that.)
You presided over a corporate bankruptcy? Oh dear. That's even worse than a personal bankruptcy. Not only did you fail personally, you ruined the lives of people to whom you owed society's highest form of loyalty. Hopefully your children will be able to pay off your accumulated debts, you disgraceful excuse for an American.
Foreigners, like those plucky Japanese, occasionally describe Americans as plodding clock-punchers without a risk taking bone in their bodies. They just don't get it. Americans love successful entrepreneurs like they love miracles -- sure, most of them happened in ages past, and you'd be absolutely insane to stake your life on one in the present day, but people still tell stories about them.
[+] I am very rarely believed when I say this, but it is literally accurate that I had my resume and a stamped copy of my most recent tax return the first time I met Ruriko's mother. I'll elide the specifics of the conversation, because after all she is my mother-in-law, but suffice it to say I was able to bring her around regarding my proposal despite my uncertain employment prospects.
- mailshanx 13y agooh man, here is an applause for your comment! The wtf / minute rate shot up as i read it, and i laughed and felt shock simultaneously :)
- dxbydt 13y agoWow, I had no idea its that bad. I have never worked in India, but my Indian friends describe a similar environment in the Indian public sector - jobs for life, generally no job-hopping, no worries about money, company homes, company schools, company hospital, servants provided for, essentially just punch the clock, pretend to do some work & go home. I wonder how the salaryman culture gels with the Japanese being so innovative. In Rising Sun (both the bad movie & worse book by same name), Michael Crichton make the claim that the Japanese are light years ahead of the US viz-a-viz computing/tech/optics/physics. There's a scene where Sean Connery walks into a physics lecture hall in ucla & points out that all the students are Asian while Americans are missing because they avoid hard subjects. If they are all boring homogenous salarymen, what's the impetus for being so innovative ? Any innovation by definition rocks the boat, so why do that ?
- lkrubner 13y agoYou ask: "I wonder how the salaryman culture gels with the Japanese being so innovative." But that was answered above: "You presided over a corporate bankruptcy? Oh dear. That's even worse than a personal bankruptcy. Not only did you fail personally, you ruined the lives of people to whom you owed society's highest form of loyalty." They are highly motivated to engage in enough innovation so as to stave off bankruptcy.
- hkmurakami 13y agoThat is because innovation happens within the bounds of the preexisting industries and constructs.
- wikwocket 13y agoAs to Japanese companies leading in innovation and successful business/manufacturing/etc practices, I will defer to those who are more familiar, but I believe a big part of it is rigorous frameworks that look at the situation, take a long (LONG) term view, and methodically remove failure points and find ways to reliably achieve success. Patrick has discussed this a number of times, here is a representative quote[0]: "Keep doing this whole "Learn from failure and overcome it" thing for a few decades and you end up the biggest car company in the world and make the competition look like sniveling amateurs." If you want to learn more, look up "Kanban," "Kaizen" (continuous improvement), "5 Whys," or search HN for "patio11 toyota." 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=406545 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=406545