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Well Gitmo was ordered closed. So it's gone right? Oh yeah. Announce all you want, it will still be there tomorrow.

by ck2 13y ago

AH4oFVbPT4f8 13y ago
"We promise to work harder next time to not get caught"
- pwelch 13y ago
  I feel like a pessimist but this what it sounds like during these types of announcements.
sleepyK 13y ago
After making all his Nobel prize winning promises, all Obama has done is systematically break nearly every one of them. Tomorrow is just going to be one more in a long series of disappointments.
znowi 13y ago
There were some bold announcements on spying from 2007 as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQlsS9diBs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQlsS9diBs
JPKab 13y ago
While I'm the first to admit that Obama is lacking in political courage (he generally just sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing, like he did with gay marriage), Gitmo isn't his fault. We can thank the cowardly Congress for that. "Rep. Dumbshit voted to close Gitmo!! Dumbshit loves the terrorists!!! This November, vote Jim Douchenozzle for Congress, because Douchenozzle hates the terrorists." The ignorance and overall un-literacy (not illiterate, unliterate, meaning they're too fucking lazy to read) of the American public, and the high turnout ratio of elderly, and I'm sorry to say, gullible senior citizens doesn't help.
- freehunter 13y ago
  Personally I don't see the problem with a politician figuring out what their constituents want and doing just that. I hear criticisms of weak politicians just doing whatever seems favorable... isn't that what they're there for? To represent the will of the people? I don't want to elect someone who will force their ideas into law. I want to elect someone who will force the people's ideas into law. What's wrong with a politician saying "I had this idea, but I changed my mind because the people told me I was wrong"?
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    Ideally, we elect them to do what we would want them to do if we were fully informed and had time to think about each issue. In practice, both sides of the question are easily used and just as easily alleged to be used as political cover for unsavoriness.
  - pessimizer 13y ago
    >I want to elect someone who will force the people's ideas into law. What about when the people choose an ethnic group that they want to lynch en masse, or a particular type of music that they want to make it a crime to distribute, or to start a mass extermination of sharks in coastal waters, or to have the EPA offices torn down and replaced with a massive monument to the 10 commandments?
    - hga 13y ago
      Yeah, but I don't think freehunter was invoking white line unConstitutional things, which cover your first two items. The latter two are just reflections on shifting cultural trends. E.g. replace sharks with wolves for the first ... but the latter is cute. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wetlands....
  - angersock 13y ago
    Sure, but you are failing to account for the part where by ways of mass media you can plant your ideas in the heads of the people which they will then request you enforce.

Well Gitmo was ordered closed. So it's gone right? Oh yeah. Announce all you want, it will still be there tomorrow.

by ck2 13y ago

Well Gitmo was ordered closed. So it's gone right? Oh yeah. Announce all you want, it will still be there tomorrow.

AH4oFVbPT4f8 13y ago

"We promise to work harder next time to not get caught"

pwelch 13y ago
I feel like a pessimist but this what it sounds like during these types of announcements.

sleepyK 13y ago

After making all his Nobel prize winning promises, all Obama has done is systematically break nearly every one of them. Tomorrow is just going to be one more in a long series of disappointments.

znowi 13y ago

There were some bold announcements on spying from 2007 as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQlsS9diBs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQlsS9diBs

JPKab 13y ago

While I'm the first to admit that Obama is lacking in political courage (he generally just sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing, like he did with gay marriage), Gitmo isn't his fault. We can thank the cowardly Congress for that. "Rep. Dumbshit voted to close Gitmo!! Dumbshit loves the terrorists!!! This November, vote Jim Douchenozzle for Congress, because Douchenozzle hates the terrorists." The ignorance and overall un-literacy (not illiterate, unliterate, meaning they're too fucking lazy to read) of the American public, and the high turnout ratio of elderly, and I'm sorry to say, gullible senior citizens doesn't help.

freehunter 13y ago
Personally I don't see the problem with a politician figuring out what their constituents want and doing just that. I hear criticisms of weak politicians just doing whatever seems favorable... isn't that what they're there for? To represent the will of the people? I don't want to elect someone who will force their ideas into law. I want to elect someone who will force the people's ideas into law. What's wrong with a politician saying "I had this idea, but I changed my mind because the people told me I was wrong"?
- dllthomas 13y ago
  Ideally, we elect them to do what we would want them to do if we were fully informed and had time to think about each issue. In practice, both sides of the question are easily used and just as easily alleged to be used as political cover for unsavoriness.
- pessimizer 13y ago
  >I want to elect someone who will force the people's ideas into law. What about when the people choose an ethnic group that they want to lynch en masse, or a particular type of music that they want to make it a crime to distribute, or to start a mass extermination of sharks in coastal waters, or to have the EPA offices torn down and replaced with a massive monument to the 10 commandments?
  - hga 13y ago
    Yeah, but I don't think freehunter was invoking white line unConstitutional things, which cover your first two items. The latter two are just reflections on shifting cultural trends. E.g. replace sharks with wolves for the first ... but the latter is cute. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wetlands....
- angersock 13y ago
  Sure, but you are failing to account for the part where by ways of mass media you can plant your ideas in the heads of the people which they will then request you enforce.