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On the other hand, I think a lot of estimates on what marijuana taxes would take in are overestimated. In any case, enforcement savings would long before taxes

by netsp 17y ago

On the other hand, I think a lot of estimates on what marijuana taxes would take in are overestimated. In any case, enforcement savings would long before taxes. Possibly alone. Outright legalisation is rarely really on the table. It's decriminalisation of personal use, reducing it to rarely enforced minor infringement or something along those lines. You can't expect the full suite of benefits from that. You save quite a lot on enforcement and incarceration. Mostly, the proponents want that to go into treatment. But you still have associated crime, Criminals still control the industry. You don't get any taxes.

Quarrelsome 17y ago
The crime is only there due the high markups on the product, given its difficulty to obtain. You could produce the product much cheaper legally. In the case of the most addictive substances that tend to drive a lot of petty crime it's probably better to give the stuff away free.
- netsp 17y ago
  The crime is there because the only way to get marijuana is illegally. A market exists. Profits exist. Anyone serving that market is by definition criminal. Decriminalising personal use (but not sale, import, cultivation, etc.) doesn't fundamentally change that.
anigbrowl 17y ago
Pot is decriminalised in the Netherlands but the coffee shops where it is sold are in a quasi-legal gray area. Nevertheless this seems to have worked out OK for the dutch in terms of both permit revenue and taxes. As pot smoking is a fairly social activity, I think many people would happily buy it over a counter - although ironically, California's strict anti-smoking laws might be a bigger barrier to the spread of such establishments. Personally, I much preferred the Dutch model - same way I can buy beer at the supermarket, and it's better value, but oftentimes it's nice to go to a bar and get it on tap. Bars don't seem to be limited by the existence of liquor stores.

by netsp 17y ago

Quarrelsome 17y ago

The crime is only there due the high markups on the product, given its difficulty to obtain. You could produce the product much cheaper legally. In the case of the most addictive substances that tend to drive a lot of petty crime it's probably better to give the stuff away free.

netsp 17y ago
The crime is there because the only way to get marijuana is illegally. A market exists. Profits exist. Anyone serving that market is by definition criminal. Decriminalising personal use (but not sale, import, cultivation, etc.) doesn't fundamentally change that.

anigbrowl 17y ago

Pot is decriminalised in the Netherlands but the coffee shops where it is sold are in a quasi-legal gray area. Nevertheless this seems to have worked out OK for the dutch in terms of both permit revenue and taxes. As pot smoking is a fairly social activity, I think many people would happily buy it over a counter - although ironically, California's strict anti-smoking laws might be a bigger barrier to the spread of such establishments. Personally, I much preferred the Dutch model - same way I can buy beer at the supermarket, and it's better value, but oftentimes it's nice to go to a bar and get it on tap. Bars don't seem to be limited by the existence of liquor stores.