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Toronto building guardian? But note that it doesn't necessarily exist as the whole arrangement is a reaction to a specific combination of extremely high regular

by brazzy 13y ago

Toronto building guardian? But note that it doesn't necessarily exist as the whole arrangement is a reaction to a specific combination of extremely high regular rents and laws that make it hard to evict squatters but allow people to live permanently in office buildings while paying rent and bein evictable on short notice. If any of those factors doesn't hold, there will be no such "guardians". For example, I am sure it is not possible in Germany because tenancy contracts that include short-notice eviction clauses are void.

roel_v 13y ago
"For example, I am sure it is not possible in Germany because tenancy contracts that include short-notice eviction clauses are void." Dutch rent law is stricter than German and it's still allowed. It's a combination of a regulatory framework at a higher level, and anti-squatting not being 'renting' but 'borrowing'. (terminology is a problem here since there is no word in English for the civil law legal form that is used. The closest is 'lease' but that is used for regular renting already in English.) More to your point, it certainly exists in Germany, and is generally called "Hauswachter" (that is, the people living there, not sure about the form itself). Companies offering it are for example http://de.cameloteurope.com/ http://de.cameloteurope.com/ .
HeyLaughingBoy 13y ago
There is a similar situation in the US where people live for very low rent in vacant houses that are for sale. The arrangement is that in exchange for substantially below market rent (perhaps 70% less), they keep the house clean, are ready to move out with 30 days notice, and leave the house when the agent needs to show it. I have friends who did this in a nice house in an expensive town for a couple years, taking advantage of the low rent to save for a down payment on their own home.
- JoeAltmaier 13y ago
  Yeah I looked at a house occupied by a temporary renter. She had a passel of squalling kids, probably primed for the event of our arrival. Also she kept a pot of cabbage on the stove, which she had boiling when we arrived and took the top off of, smelling up the place like no other. All this to make sure we would flee the place and never come back, thus keeping her cushy low-rent 'temporary' housing. Any wonder this is not a popular option with landlords?
  - HeyLaughingBoy 13y ago
    That would have gotten her kicked out of the place my friends were living in, plain and simple. Nice house in Greenwich, CT that you're preventing the sale of? Nope, you're history. When I was a landlord, I let my tenants stay in the house while it was for sale (at the end of the regular lease, they signed a month-to-month lease to cover this), with the understanding that they were to keep it ready for showing with 12 hours notice. The one time this was a problem I made it very clear that they'd be out at the end of the month if it every happened again. It didn't!

by brazzy 13y ago

roel_v 13y ago

"For example, I am sure it is not possible in Germany because tenancy contracts that include short-notice eviction clauses are void." Dutch rent law is stricter than German and it's still allowed. It's a combination of a regulatory framework at a higher level, and anti-squatting not being 'renting' but 'borrowing'. (terminology is a problem here since there is no word in English for the civil law legal form that is used. The closest is 'lease' but that is used for regular renting already in English.) More to your point, it certainly exists in Germany, and is generally called "Hauswachter" (that is, the people living there, not sure about the form itself). Companies offering it are for example http://de.cameloteurope.com/ http://de.cameloteurope.com/ .

HeyLaughingBoy 13y ago

There is a similar situation in the US where people live for very low rent in vacant houses that are for sale. The arrangement is that in exchange for substantially below market rent (perhaps 70% less), they keep the house clean, are ready to move out with 30 days notice, and leave the house when the agent needs to show it. I have friends who did this in a nice house in an expensive town for a couple years, taking advantage of the low rent to save for a down payment on their own home.

JoeAltmaier 13y ago
Yeah I looked at a house occupied by a temporary renter. She had a passel of squalling kids, probably primed for the event of our arrival. Also she kept a pot of cabbage on the stove, which she had boiling when we arrived and took the top off of, smelling up the place like no other. All this to make sure we would flee the place and never come back, thus keeping her cushy low-rent 'temporary' housing. Any wonder this is not a popular option with landlords?
- HeyLaughingBoy 13y ago
  That would have gotten her kicked out of the place my friends were living in, plain and simple. Nice house in Greenwich, CT that you're preventing the sale of? Nope, you're history. When I was a landlord, I let my tenants stay in the house while it was for sale (at the end of the regular lease, they signed a month-to-month lease to cover this), with the understanding that they were to keep it ready for showing with 12 hours notice. The one time this was a problem I made it very clear that they'd be out at the end of the month if it every happened again. It didn't!