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San Francisco is fast becoming the most boring "big" city in America. Take a look at the boring office-park culture that SV is famous for; that is the future o

San Francisco is fast becoming the most boring "big" city in America. Take a look at the boring office-park culture that SV is famous for; that is the future of SF. This change is inevitable as rents increase and the only people who can afford to live there are white and Asian males between 20-35 who work in tech. (I mean no offense by this comment. I fit into this demographic, but I will admit that as group overall middle class tech workers are culturally homogenous and thus incredibly bland.)

jseliger 13y ago
This change is inevitable as rents increase It's not inevitable; rather, it's because of a series of political choices. Steel and elevators are very old technologies and as such it's quite simple to increase the supply of dwellings on a given quantity of land. San Francisco's development rules mostly prohibit anyone from doing so, however, per Matt Yglesias's book The Rent Is Too Damn High (And What To Do About It) (see http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0078XGJXO?ie=UTF8&tag=thstsst-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0078XGJXO?ie=UTF8&tag=thstsst-20&l...). In the face of constant supply and rising demand prices increases. Want to change that dynamic? Increase supply by building new stuff.
- wwweston 13y ago
  I'm not so sure that a standard market approach to increasing supply really drives down or even stabilizes housing prices. I've been present at some significant housing supply buildouts in a few areas, and each time, my observation was that the price of new housing was somewhat above market rates... since it's brand new (and often "luxury" condos/apartments). Plus building costs for new stuff is financed in unamortized $RECENT_YEAR dollars rather than amortized $DECADES_PAST dollars. For land-constrained places like San Francisco, where the only way to increase supply is up, this dynamic is probably more true, since however old the tech is, it's a lot more capital intensive than stick framing. Where I have observed a decrease in price, it's never been because of supply increase. It's places like Detroit where demand drops, either because of economic stagnation/collapse, or where there's health/property hazards. This isn't to say they shouldn't build out/up in SF, just that I'm pretty sure that introducing rents musicians can afford is not going be as simple as changing development rules and letting private developers go at it.
  - TheCoelacanth 13y ago
    In DC, average rents decreased by 2% last year, largely because of increased supply[1], so it is possible. Somewhere like SF, it's likely that demand would increase faster than supply could so prices would continue to go up, but at least the increase in supply would slow down the price increase. [1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-23/washington-faces-apartment-glut-after-boom-real-estate.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-23/washington-faces-ap...
    - wwweston 13y ago
      The cited article on DC does give some new construction numbers and credit that as part of the trajectory. However, there's also this bit: "Job growth in the region, which is heavily focused on the government, has been too weak to support the construction, said Greg Leisch, chief executive officer of Delta Associates. Federal contracting has declined by $7 billion in the last two years and the spending cuts known as sequestration have limited employment and demand for rentals, he said. “The supply would have been consistent with Washington’s job performance had the federal government not shrunk,” In other words, despite the increased supply, had the fundamentals of the local economic activity stayed the same, they would have only matched demand at best, and prices probably would have stayed stable/increasing. It looks to me like this at least as much another example of a price reduction from a demand drop as it is a price reduction from increased supply, if not more.
hydralist 13y ago
you sound like a terribly jaded person. sf is teeming with culture, sights, sounds, and food spots that would take years to scratch the surface. i'm from ottawa, canada, you don't know boring big city at all bud

jseliger 13y ago

This change is inevitable as rents increase It's not inevitable; rather, it's because of a series of political choices. Steel and elevators are very old technologies and as such it's quite simple to increase the supply of dwellings on a given quantity of land. San Francisco's development rules mostly prohibit anyone from doing so, however, per Matt Yglesias's book The Rent Is Too Damn High (And What To Do About It) (see http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0078XGJXO?ie=UTF8&tag=thstsst-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0078XGJXO?ie=UTF8&tag=thstsst-20&l...). In the face of constant supply and rising demand prices increases. Want to change that dynamic? Increase supply by building new stuff.

wwweston 13y ago
I'm not so sure that a standard market approach to increasing supply really drives down or even stabilizes housing prices. I've been present at some significant housing supply buildouts in a few areas, and each time, my observation was that the price of new housing was somewhat above market rates... since it's brand new (and often "luxury" condos/apartments). Plus building costs for new stuff is financed in unamortized $RECENT_YEAR dollars rather than amortized $DECADES_PAST dollars. For land-constrained places like San Francisco, where the only way to increase supply is up, this dynamic is probably more true, since however old the tech is, it's a lot more capital intensive than stick framing. Where I have observed a decrease in price, it's never been because of supply increase. It's places like Detroit where demand drops, either because of economic stagnation/collapse, or where there's health/property hazards. This isn't to say they shouldn't build out/up in SF, just that I'm pretty sure that introducing rents musicians can afford is not going be as simple as changing development rules and letting private developers go at it.
- TheCoelacanth 13y ago
  In DC, average rents decreased by 2% last year, largely because of increased supply[1], so it is possible. Somewhere like SF, it's likely that demand would increase faster than supply could so prices would continue to go up, but at least the increase in supply would slow down the price increase. [1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-23/washington-faces-apartment-glut-after-boom-real-estate.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-23/washington-faces-ap...
  - wwweston 13y ago
    The cited article on DC does give some new construction numbers and credit that as part of the trajectory. However, there's also this bit: "Job growth in the region, which is heavily focused on the government, has been too weak to support the construction, said Greg Leisch, chief executive officer of Delta Associates. Federal contracting has declined by $7 billion in the last two years and the spending cuts known as sequestration have limited employment and demand for rentals, he said. “The supply would have been consistent with Washington’s job performance had the federal government not shrunk,” In other words, despite the increased supply, had the fundamentals of the local economic activity stayed the same, they would have only matched demand at best, and prices probably would have stayed stable/increasing. It looks to me like this at least as much another example of a price reduction from a demand drop as it is a price reduction from increased supply, if not more.

hydralist 13y ago

you sound like a terribly jaded person. sf is teeming with culture, sights, sounds, and food spots that would take years to scratch the surface. i'm from ottawa, canada, you don't know boring big city at all bud