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I suspect Microsoft is planning to have Windows 9 available by then. I have a computer that is too old to run Windows 7, and was going to retire it. I'd rathe

by japaget 13y ago

I suspect Microsoft is planning to have Windows 9 available by then. I have a computer that is too old to run Windows 7, and was going to retire it. I'd rather not deal with Windows 8, and was considering replacing the old computer with a Mac or with a Linux machine. If Windows 9 is out by the time XP finally dies, I can stick with Microsoft Windows. Update: It's just anti-malware signatures, nothing else :-( I really hope the new Microsoft CEO decides to extend XP support until Windows 9 is out so I won't have a tough choice come April.

zanny 13y ago
I didn't know anyone liked using Windows. Especially when you can get almost any UX under the sun in linux, assuming any proprietary software you need runs under wine.
- deletes 13y ago
  You are not thinking from an average user point of view. They don't know what any of those words mean, and even if they did they couldn't handle them; even installing windows is impossible for most people.
  - pikachu_is_cool 13y ago
    They don't have to know what those words mean. Most versions of Linux have everything that the average user needs right out of the box, and if most PCs were shipped with a popular user-friendly distro, 99% of people wouldn't even notice or care. Admittedly if you want to run native Windows programs that aren't available for Linux then you're kind of screwed. Wine usually does a pretty good job but it isn't usable by the average layman at all. But it's getting better. The only programs that aren't usable on Linux nowadays are basically games, MS Excel and Photoshop.
    - jorts 13y ago
      Just curious, have you ever supported end users? My experience tells me that most people would freak out when presented with something as dissimilar as any linux variant after being a Windows user for a decade or more.
      - pikachu_is_cool 13y ago
        Really? I've installed it on a few relative's computers and they have all loved it and were able to pick it up completely on their own. Literally in one instance I installed ubuntu on my dad's laptop, and left the day after. He didn't even call me once for help on how to open something or do something (except for installing Skype, which he would have done anyway if it was a windows machine). It was all there. And these are people that don't know how to attach something to an email. IMO the biggest problem is getting the damn OS on the computer, everything after that is cake. Plus, pretty much every linux distro has a sort of "start" menu, and a taskbar. What kind of problems are you encountering?
        jorts 13y ago
        As a basic example, I've experienced multiple users yell at me or my technicians (this was at a previous job) because the icons on their desktop changed locations. I can't imagine how they would have responded if their start menu looked different. While my mom is much nicer than many of these ex-customers treated technicians, she still struggles to grasp basic computing concepts such as traversing through Windows Explorer and copying and pasting pictures from her camera to her My Pictures folder. I can only fathom how she would react if I reformatted her laptop and installed linux on it.
        72deluxe 13y ago
        I would second this. Many office staff (who tend to be women) just use the computer because it is part of their job and don't learn their way around a system or learn the concepts of files etc. (I am not attempting to be sexist btw - just many people my wife work with in the office don't attempt to learn anything new and can't cope with basic changes to the system; they complain that Word isn't working because they have set the font to white and are typing onto a white background, for example. A web browser is "the Internet" and they don't know the difference between "Windows Explorer" and "Internet Explorer", and have no idea where their files are etc. etc. etc.) I can see why the iPad took off with its lack of usable file system from a user perspective, because you don't need to learn any of the stuff you would with a PC. Icons that have moved is the end of the world for some people. Putting Linux onto a desktop would be like the end of the universe, despite how easy we find it to use.
    - deletes 13y ago
      Where do you get those percentages? Having worked on tech support I can tell you that 99% of people aren't able to do more that click start menu and launch their favorite program. If the that is missing, they usually just give up and must be guided.
      - pikachu_is_cool 13y ago
        It's just a guess, based on my experience with exposing Linux to a handful of my extremely computer illiterate family members.
      - yen223 13y ago
        Sample bias. It's hardly surprising that people who have to call tech support aren't exactly tech maestros, but that's not necessarily representative of the general population.
        jorts 13y ago
        After managing an outsourced IT firm for ~9 years, I've found that there are a huge amount of users, in a variety of industries, that function as deletes has stated.
- encoderer 13y ago
  I'm a mac user, but honestly I've always thought Windows 7 to be a good OS. I've never really used Windows 8.
  - 72deluxe 13y ago
    Windows 8 is alright on a Surface but on a computer with a big screen, it is sadly very mixed up and a frustrating experience. Like iOS 7, you have no idea if anything is a button or is text until you wave your cursor/hand over it, and then some things are hidden until you do that, so for new users it is HORRENDOUS (even if they're competent Windows users), and for experienced users it is still pretty HORRENDOUS. But on a Surface, it is quite good!
    - dagw 13y ago
      I use Windows 8 on a computer with a big screen and quite like it. Sure the whole Metro UI thing is a bit of disaster, but it's easy to pretty much ignore it. And once you ignore Metro it's back to being a decent desktop OS that is basically Windows 7 with a few neat improvements. That being said I agree that I wouldn't recommend it to an inexperienced user.
- chaz 13y ago
  I liked using Windows. Keyboard shortcuts for everything and you could be pretty free from using a mouse most of the time. Being able to log into any machine on campus and accessing your files was great. Active Directory can work really well if it was set up properly. SMB worked well for a network drive shared amongst your team, especially for large linked resources, like spreadsheets or databases, while still using named drives as the path (S:\Finance\2014\Projections.xlsx). Dropbox is only ok if you're willing to carry offline copies of the entire shared drive with you everywhere you go (ie, 10GB is ok, but not 100GB or more; our shared drive was multiple TB). Plenty to complain about, too, but that's true of all OSes, to be fair.
  - 72deluxe 13y ago
    I think you really hit the nail on the head with the keyboard shortcuts thing. On Vista and beyond, they made the listview headers accessible by Tab in Explorer. This was STUPID. So XP really is dead easy to use with keyboard shortcuts, particularly in Classic mode. OSX by default only lets you tab to text boxes, which you need to change in System Preferences, but can't get to without a mouse because you can't tab to the control to change it...... the irony......
- pjmlp 13y ago
  I do, since 1992. Have used almost all other major GUIs, but at the end of the day, I always come back to Windows.
- userbinator 13y ago
  I once spent a rather long time trying to get Linux to work like Windows, but in the end gave up because it still didn't "feel right" to me. I think *nix has an awesome CLI, but dismal GUI options, while Windows is just the opposite.
  - 72deluxe 13y ago
    You're right about Windows CLI - PowerShell is dreadful!
  - kuschku 13y ago
    Have you used KDE? It doesn't look like windows, but it is quite easy to use.
jbigelow76 13y ago
>It's just anti-malware signatures, nothing else :-( I really hope the new Microsoft CEO decides to extend XP support until Windows 9 is out so I won't have a tough choice come April. Out of curiosity, if the PC is chugging along just fine on a 13 year old OS, what non-antimalware update were you expecting to come along in the next 18 months that wouldn't force your hand in to moving to either Mac or Linux?
- japaget 13y ago
  I don't want to connect an unpatched computer to the internet. It could be pwned or worse.
  - deleted 13y ago
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  - jlgaddis 13y ago
    Disable/uninstall Adobe * and Java. Don't configure a default gateway on it and force all traffic through a proxy (on the local subnet). You're probably good.
yuhong 13y ago
I think it is not difficult to buy machines preinstalled with Win7. OEM Win8 Pro also lets you downgrade to Win7 Pro or Vista Business.
yuhong 13y ago
I really hope the new Microsoft CEO decides to extend XP support until Windows 9 is out so I won't have a tough choice come April. They allow only a minimum of two years after a new version release before the previous version goes into extended support, which lasts for another five years. Rounded up to the nearest quarter, this makes the end of mainstream support for XP April 2009 and the end of extended support the now infamous April 2014 date. This is despite the fact that Vista RTM had plenty of problems and by the time XP entered extended support which was around the time Vista SP2 released, Win7 was just around the corner.
circa 13y ago
There is mention here of Windows 9 out in April 2015 http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/1/11/5298798/windows-9-release-date-april-2015-rumor http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/1/11/5298798/windows-9-relea...

by japaget 13y ago

zanny 13y ago

I didn't know anyone liked using Windows. Especially when you can get almost any UX under the sun in linux, assuming any proprietary software you need runs under wine.

deletes 13y ago
You are not thinking from an average user point of view. They don't know what any of those words mean, and even if they did they couldn't handle them; even installing windows is impossible for most people.
- pikachu_is_cool 13y ago
  They don't have to know what those words mean. Most versions of Linux have everything that the average user needs right out of the box, and if most PCs were shipped with a popular user-friendly distro, 99% of people wouldn't even notice or care. Admittedly if you want to run native Windows programs that aren't available for Linux then you're kind of screwed. Wine usually does a pretty good job but it isn't usable by the average layman at all. But it's getting better. The only programs that aren't usable on Linux nowadays are basically games, MS Excel and Photoshop.
  - jorts 13y ago
    Just curious, have you ever supported end users? My experience tells me that most people would freak out when presented with something as dissimilar as any linux variant after being a Windows user for a decade or more.
    - pikachu_is_cool 13y ago
      Really? I've installed it on a few relative's computers and they have all loved it and were able to pick it up completely on their own. Literally in one instance I installed ubuntu on my dad's laptop, and left the day after. He didn't even call me once for help on how to open something or do something (except for installing Skype, which he would have done anyway if it was a windows machine). It was all there. And these are people that don't know how to attach something to an email. IMO the biggest problem is getting the damn OS on the computer, everything after that is cake. Plus, pretty much every linux distro has a sort of "start" menu, and a taskbar. What kind of problems are you encountering?
      - jorts 13y ago
        As a basic example, I've experienced multiple users yell at me or my technicians (this was at a previous job) because the icons on their desktop changed locations. I can't imagine how they would have responded if their start menu looked different. While my mom is much nicer than many of these ex-customers treated technicians, she still struggles to grasp basic computing concepts such as traversing through Windows Explorer and copying and pasting pictures from her camera to her My Pictures folder. I can only fathom how she would react if I reformatted her laptop and installed linux on it.
        72deluxe 13y ago
        I would second this. Many office staff (who tend to be women) just use the computer because it is part of their job and don't learn their way around a system or learn the concepts of files etc. (I am not attempting to be sexist btw - just many people my wife work with in the office don't attempt to learn anything new and can't cope with basic changes to the system; they complain that Word isn't working because they have set the font to white and are typing onto a white background, for example. A web browser is "the Internet" and they don't know the difference between "Windows Explorer" and "Internet Explorer", and have no idea where their files are etc. etc. etc.) I can see why the iPad took off with its lack of usable file system from a user perspective, because you don't need to learn any of the stuff you would with a PC. Icons that have moved is the end of the world for some people. Putting Linux onto a desktop would be like the end of the universe, despite how easy we find it to use.
  - deletes 13y ago
    Where do you get those percentages? Having worked on tech support I can tell you that 99% of people aren't able to do more that click start menu and launch their favorite program. If the that is missing, they usually just give up and must be guided.
    - pikachu_is_cool 13y ago
      It's just a guess, based on my experience with exposing Linux to a handful of my extremely computer illiterate family members.
    - yen223 13y ago
      Sample bias. It's hardly surprising that people who have to call tech support aren't exactly tech maestros, but that's not necessarily representative of the general population.
      - jorts 13y ago
        After managing an outsourced IT firm for ~9 years, I've found that there are a huge amount of users, in a variety of industries, that function as deletes has stated.
encoderer 13y ago
I'm a mac user, but honestly I've always thought Windows 7 to be a good OS. I've never really used Windows 8.
- 72deluxe 13y ago
  Windows 8 is alright on a Surface but on a computer with a big screen, it is sadly very mixed up and a frustrating experience. Like iOS 7, you have no idea if anything is a button or is text until you wave your cursor/hand over it, and then some things are hidden until you do that, so for new users it is HORRENDOUS (even if they're competent Windows users), and for experienced users it is still pretty HORRENDOUS. But on a Surface, it is quite good!
  - dagw 13y ago
    I use Windows 8 on a computer with a big screen and quite like it. Sure the whole Metro UI thing is a bit of disaster, but it's easy to pretty much ignore it. And once you ignore Metro it's back to being a decent desktop OS that is basically Windows 7 with a few neat improvements. That being said I agree that I wouldn't recommend it to an inexperienced user.
chaz 13y ago
I liked using Windows. Keyboard shortcuts for everything and you could be pretty free from using a mouse most of the time. Being able to log into any machine on campus and accessing your files was great. Active Directory can work really well if it was set up properly. SMB worked well for a network drive shared amongst your team, especially for large linked resources, like spreadsheets or databases, while still using named drives as the path (S:\Finance\2014\Projections.xlsx). Dropbox is only ok if you're willing to carry offline copies of the entire shared drive with you everywhere you go (ie, 10GB is ok, but not 100GB or more; our shared drive was multiple TB). Plenty to complain about, too, but that's true of all OSes, to be fair.
- 72deluxe 13y ago
  I think you really hit the nail on the head with the keyboard shortcuts thing. On Vista and beyond, they made the listview headers accessible by Tab in Explorer. This was STUPID. So XP really is dead easy to use with keyboard shortcuts, particularly in Classic mode. OSX by default only lets you tab to text boxes, which you need to change in System Preferences, but can't get to without a mouse because you can't tab to the control to change it...... the irony......
pjmlp 13y ago
I do, since 1992. Have used almost all other major GUIs, but at the end of the day, I always come back to Windows.
userbinator 13y ago
I once spent a rather long time trying to get Linux to work like Windows, but in the end gave up because it still didn't "feel right" to me. I think *nix has an awesome CLI, but dismal GUI options, while Windows is just the opposite.
- 72deluxe 13y ago
  You're right about Windows CLI - PowerShell is dreadful!
- kuschku 13y ago
  Have you used KDE? It doesn't look like windows, but it is quite easy to use.

jbigelow76 13y ago

>It's just anti-malware signatures, nothing else :-( I really hope the new Microsoft CEO decides to extend XP support until Windows 9 is out so I won't have a tough choice come April. Out of curiosity, if the PC is chugging along just fine on a 13 year old OS, what non-antimalware update were you expecting to come along in the next 18 months that wouldn't force your hand in to moving to either Mac or Linux?

japaget 13y ago
I don't want to connect an unpatched computer to the internet. It could be pwned or worse.
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
- jlgaddis 13y ago
  Disable/uninstall Adobe * and Java. Don't configure a default gateway on it and force all traffic through a proxy (on the local subnet). You're probably good.

yuhong 13y ago

I think it is not difficult to buy machines preinstalled with Win7. OEM Win8 Pro also lets you downgrade to Win7 Pro or Vista Business.

yuhong 13y ago

I really hope the new Microsoft CEO decides to extend XP support until Windows 9 is out so I won't have a tough choice come April. They allow only a minimum of two years after a new version release before the previous version goes into extended support, which lasts for another five years. Rounded up to the nearest quarter, this makes the end of mainstream support for XP April 2009 and the end of extended support the now infamous April 2014 date. This is despite the fact that Vista RTM had plenty of problems and by the time XP entered extended support which was around the time Vista SP2 released, Win7 was just around the corner.

circa 13y ago

There is mention here of Windows 9 out in April 2015 http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/1/11/5298798/windows-9-release-date-april-2015-rumor http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/1/11/5298798/windows-9-relea...