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That sounds like something that the businesses of that street should be addressing with the local government to get that obvious problem resolved. Such as a loa

by talmand 13y ago

That sounds like something that the businesses of that street should be addressing with the local government to get that obvious problem resolved. Such as a loading zone that doesn't allow general parking during certain hours. Yes, it's not optimal but it's better than the ticket and causing traffic problems.

greenyoda 13y ago
The local government has no interest in fixing it since the parking tickets are a cash cow for the city. The fines are ultimately paid by the people who have to pay more for the goods these businesses are selling to cover the cost of business. Unfortunately, this is just one of the many things that makes businesses in NYC less cost-competitive.
- _delirium 13y ago
  The "free street parking is my god-given right" lobby in NYC is an equally big issue. As far as I'm aware, it's the only city of its level of density in the Western world that has free street parking in the urban core, producing super weird dynamics for a limited resource priced way below market value. You could improve a lot of things by: 1) charging something closer to market value for parking; and 2) removing at least some of the parking entirely, turning the space currently occupied by rusting stationary metal (which is rarely moved b/c people fear losing their parking space!) over to more useful purposes such as loading/unloading zones, bike lanes, hell even some wider sidewalks and linear parks.
stinkytaco 13y ago
Yes, they should address it with local government and I'm sure they do. However, that's not a perfectly effecient system either. There's often one or two vocal citizens that can obstruct the process for small businesses. Just to be clear, I don't feel governments should favor small businesses over residential or vice versa, but just that complaining to local government means getting politics involved. The other issue is that perhaps the businesses want the parking for customers. Seems silly to cut off a bunch of parking for 20 minutes of deliveries in a day as well. Lots of cities were just not designed with the modern world in mind and these industries grow out of the problems.
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drak0n1c 13y ago
In Tokyo, trucks are only allowed to unload during the nighttime. The Japanese attitude toward government regulation (and staying up late for social obligations, etc) is quite different, for better or for worse.
- Zigurd 13y ago
  I observed the same thing in Beijing. Daytime deliveries are handled by motor-trikes with a small flatbed on the back. Delivery trucks do not block streets in the daytime and appear to be largely, maybe completely banned during daytime.

by talmand 13y ago

greenyoda 13y ago

The local government has no interest in fixing it since the parking tickets are a cash cow for the city. The fines are ultimately paid by the people who have to pay more for the goods these businesses are selling to cover the cost of business. Unfortunately, this is just one of the many things that makes businesses in NYC less cost-competitive.

_delirium 13y ago
The "free street parking is my god-given right" lobby in NYC is an equally big issue. As far as I'm aware, it's the only city of its level of density in the Western world that has free street parking in the urban core, producing super weird dynamics for a limited resource priced way below market value. You could improve a lot of things by: 1) charging something closer to market value for parking; and 2) removing at least some of the parking entirely, turning the space currently occupied by rusting stationary metal (which is rarely moved b/c people fear losing their parking space!) over to more useful purposes such as loading/unloading zones, bike lanes, hell even some wider sidewalks and linear parks.

stinkytaco 13y ago

Yes, they should address it with local government and I'm sure they do. However, that's not a perfectly effecient system either. There's often one or two vocal citizens that can obstruct the process for small businesses. Just to be clear, I don't feel governments should favor small businesses over residential or vice versa, but just that complaining to local government means getting politics involved. The other issue is that perhaps the businesses want the parking for customers. Seems silly to cut off a bunch of parking for 20 minutes of deliveries in a day as well. Lots of cities were just not designed with the modern world in mind and these industries grow out of the problems.

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drak0n1c 13y ago

In Tokyo, trucks are only allowed to unload during the nighttime. The Japanese attitude toward government regulation (and staying up late for social obligations, etc) is quite different, for better or for worse.

Zigurd 13y ago
I observed the same thing in Beijing. Daytime deliveries are handled by motor-trikes with a small flatbed on the back. Delivery trucks do not block streets in the daytime and appear to be largely, maybe completely banned during daytime.